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|Apr-11-17|| ||Doniez: After 33.Qxe8, either moves Kxe8 or Qxe8 is losing because of 34.Kxf6 supported by the Rook on d1. Very easy for Tuesday|
|Apr-11-17|| ||agb2002: The material is identical.
The black queen pins the white knight and the white rook x-rays the black king. These details suggest 33.Qxe8+:
A) 33... Kxe8 34.Nxf6+ and 35.Nxd7 + - [R+N].
B) 33... Qxe8 34.Nxf6+ + - [R].
|Apr-11-17|| ||newzild: <Petrosianic: Black plays just fine except for the bizarre move 23...Bd8??>|
The move 23...Bd8 in that game is not so bizarre as you think. It is geared towards preparing 24....a5, but is also a prophylactic measure against White's 24. f4, in which case 24... Bxh4 wins a pawn.
|Apr-11-17|| ||lost in space: 33. Qe8+ and 34. Nf6+ and Black is busted. Even when his name is R.J. Fischer|
|Apr-11-17|| ||newzild: <cunctatorg> Interesting theories, although I think Fischer dominated Bisguier for the simple reason that he was a much stronger player rather than a deep-seated need to dominate somebody who had beaten him at a young age.|
|Apr-11-17|| ||AlicesKnight: 33.Qxe8+ seems to serve; if ...Kxe8 then 34.Nxf6forks K and Q, while ...Qxe8 allows 34.Nxf6 discovering check and winning the Q. One to savour for Bisguier even though Fischer won 13 (is this right? - not checked) against him afterwards.|
|Apr-11-17|| ||saturn2: Qxe8 gets material advantage no matter how black retakes.|
Nc3 or Ne3 forking the queen does not work because of Rd6.
|Apr-11-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: It's easy finding the winning move, what about the "almost winning move"?: Nc3, Rd6 and White is busted!|
|Apr-11-17|| ||newzild: <ChessHigherCat>|
After 33. Nc3? Rd6 34. Rxd6 Qxd6 35. Qxd6 Nxd6 White is hardly busted - the position is equal.
|Apr-11-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <newzild: <ChessHigherCat>|
After 33. Nc3? Rd6 34. Rxd6 Qxd6 35. Qxd6 Nxd6 White is hardly busted - the position is equal.>
I was just kidding about the "busted" part, I meant that it looks great at first like it pins the queen but doesn't really.
|Apr-11-17|| ||morfishine: <33.Qxe8+> does the trick since both replies 33...Kxe8 & 33...Qxe8 are crushed by <34...Nxf6+>|
|Apr-11-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: Ghe I just beat Bobby in a few seconds. Spread the newse!|
|Apr-11-17|| ||patzer2: The four pawns attack in the King's Indian is a tough nut for Black to crack, even for Bobby Fischer.|
According to the computers, Black's game starts to go bad with 12...a6? 13. e5! . Instead, 12...Nc6 = to , which prevents the strong 13. e5!, is better.
Earlier, instead of 9...Bd7 = which resulted in wins for Bisguier in this game and also in Bisguier vs D Sprenkle, 1979, the computers suggest 9...Nd7 = to as best for Black.
Though the computer assessment may be correct, limited practical results as in Bisguier vs Popovych, 1969 have not favored the second player with 9...Nd7 = to .
Instead, the slightly more popular 9...Be6 as in V Mikenas vs S Yuferov, 1973 has given Black decent results in master games.
Another good alternative here is 9...Qb6 = as in D Andric vs Gligoric, 1951.
In today's easy Tuesday puzzle position, the obvious 33. Qxe8+ wins with either a Knight Fork or a discovered check after 34. Nxf6+ .
|Apr-11-17|| ||patzer2: Interestingly, the next time Bisguier had a chance to play the four pawns attack against Bobby's King's Indian he avoided it with 4. Nf3 and lost badly in Bisguier vs Fischer, 1961. |
This game was Fischer's first and only loss against this strong opponent. Bobby would go on to amass a 13-1-1 record against three time former US Champion Arthur Bisguire.
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|Apr-11-17|| ||messachess: The 13 year old Fischer.|
|Apr-11-17|| ||chrisowen: <blunderclap> Jah rule e8s of thumb evermores:|
|Apr-11-17|| ||stst: Monday stuff:
33.QxN+ either KxQ or QxQ ===> 34.NxR+ or dis+ ==> Black Q gone.
White exchanges sig. up.
|Apr-11-17|| ||stst: Initial reaction: Are the names of the game being switched by mistake?|
But of course, Fish lost games throughout his life, so does anyone.
|Apr-11-17|| ||Petrosianic: The fact that this still takes people by surprise shows what an unrealistic view people tend to have of things. It's why people like Harry Lime despise the real Bobby Fischer for not being the mythical demigod they've built up in their minds. It doesn't get more perverse than that.|
|Apr-11-17|| ||Tiggler: Since 33.Nxf6 does not work, because of the capture with check on d1, it is not to hard to see that 33.Qxe8+ first has to be the move. Do you have to be God's gift to chess to see this?|
|Apr-11-17|| ||JohnTal: After this game, Fischer turned Bisguier into his favorite whipping boy.|
|Oct-10-17|| ||FSR: King Arthur.|
|May-10-18|| ||Richard Taylor: <cunctatorg> Interesting. Fischer spent hours analysing chess. He worked on it with the mania of an Alekhine and also like Kasparov later. |
The strange psychology of Fischer also explains why it is almost as if he didn't really want to win the World Championships. There was a complex love-hate thing in regard to chess and to his 'father' the US and so on.
An analysis like yours was made by the OSS of Hitler during WWII. It was by a psychoanalyst and the picture made sense. Austria was his mother and Germany his father etc, & he would eventually commit suicide and so on. Fischer adopted similar ideas to the Nazis and slowly or quickly the tragedy (Greek?) unwound. His was a case of 'Whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad.'
His games are almost irrelevant now in the light of his fascinating, bizarre, and tragic life.
|May-10-18|| ||Check It Out: <RT> I would say that Fischerís games are the most relevant aspect of his multi-faceted life, which was centered around chess.|
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