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|Sep-05-08|| ||TheTamale: Well, at least the first move is easy--what else could it be? I didn't get the rest exactly, but I'm at work, at besides, I such at chess, so the likelihood of me computing the whole thing correctly in my head are not astronomical.|
|Sep-05-08|| ||TheaN: <YR: After <14.Rxf6 Bh8 15.Bxf8 <Bxf8>> I see <16.Qh6 Be6 17.Nd2!> threatening Rf1 and Nde4, leaving black is in terrible trouble. Or do you see a better way for black?>|
We are the ChessBorg, you will be.......... hey what the... why is that correct? :)
Black seems completely paralysed after 16.Qh6!... Ne5 guards f7, Bf6 guards g7 and h8, and the Queen, the a-Rook and the white squared Bishop have a hard time getting into play, and preferably defence, quickly. Good catch. 17.Nd2 18.Rf1 19.Rxf6 with mate, unstoppable? In that way, 17.Nd2 with 18.Nc4! or Ndf3! might work too (if Black does not play the best move 16....Be6), taking out the f7 defender which would follow Qh7† Kxf8 and Qxf7‡.
But I'm confinced, Qh6 on Bxf6 is a lot stronger for White than the simplification after exf6.
|Sep-05-08|| ||Marmot PFL: This is a well known game, but even if I hadn't seen it Rxf6 is not too hard. The main lines are ef6 Bxg7, or if Bxf6 not Bxf8 but Bg7! anyway.|
|Sep-05-08|| ||zenpharaohs: Manic: "<zenpharaohs> 15.Bg7 throws away the immediate win. See above."|
After 14 ... Bg8?? by far the best answer is 15 Bg7; by more than a piece. I don't know what you think it throws away. Let's examine this line a bit more closely:
15 Bg7 Kxg7 (otherwise mate)
16 Nd2 Qd5
the only other move that avoids mate is 16 ... Bg4, but that allows Rxf7+.
17 Raf1 Rg8 (otherwise mate)
Here white can play either Qh7+ or Rxf7+; both are strong. Rybka 3 and Shredder 11 evaluate Rxf7+ as mate in 21 (or less). Qh7+ is mate in 22 (or less).
So clearly, no win has been thrown away.
If you think another line leads to a quicker win, I think you probably missed a defense for black.
|Sep-05-08|| ||Woody Wood Pusher: 15. Bxg6!,Nxg6 16.Rxg6+,fxg6 17.Bxf8, Bg7 18.Bxg7, Kxg7 19.Qh7+, Kf6 20.Ne4+.Ke5 21.Nbd2, Kd5 22. Qxg6 and black can resign.|
|Sep-05-08|| ||zb2cr: I remembered this game, so I can't claim credit for solving the puzzle.|
|Sep-05-08|| ||Anaxamandar: Why is'nt BXR then BxN an adiquite def? isn't 14 BxB then RxB better?|
|Sep-05-08|| ||Phony Benoni: <Anaxamandar: Why is'nt BXR then BxN an adiquite def? isn't 14 BxB then RxB better?>|
Do you mean 14...BxR? The answer to that is 15.B-N7!, threatening both 16.Q-R7# and 16.Q-R8#.
[Algebraic users: If 14...Bxf6, then 15.Bg7! threatening 16.Qh7# and 16.Qh8#.]
|Sep-05-08|| ||DarthStapler: I got the first move, but I missed the Bh8 response|
|Sep-06-08|| ||zenpharaohs: DarthStapler: "I got the first move, but I missed the Bh8 response"|
You're supposed to miss the Bh8 response, because it's a blunder.
|Sep-06-08|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: Since quite a number of people considered this puzzle easy, I run it through my engine-based evaluation procedure.|
Finding that 14.Rxf6 is safe and that the rook cannot be taken turns out to be about Wednesday level. Since it is quite obvious that nothing else is better, and that black has no counterplay, I don't think that further analysis is really needed, especially OTB. Just sit and wait what blunder will black commit after receiving the shock.
|Sep-06-08|| ||Chesstalesfan: If the solution of a puzzle is to find the first move, then Yes , you are write to say that this puzzle was easy. But if you are to consider the following best possible answers by black, not only the one played in the game, to my opinion this puzzle is not that easy (it justifies its three stars), unless you prove your statement by providing a further analysis. Am I wrong?|
|Sep-06-08|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: Yes, if you try analyzing possible responses, then it becomes more difficult, but doing such analysis OTB would be a complete waste of time.|
Two things are clear in the puzzle position: the knight is free for the taking, and black has no attack.
So, grab the N as it were hanging, and if nothing interesting occurs, retrieve the rook to safety and cruise to victory.
|Sep-06-08|| ||Manic: <zenpharoahs> OK nevermind I assumed <Once> looked into the line in depth with his computer.|
|Sep-06-08|| ||patzer2: For the Friday September 5, 2008 puzzle solution, White initiates a mating attack against the weak Black castled position with 14. Rxf6!! |
If 14...Bxf6, then 15. Bg7! decides as described by <Phony Beononi>. Of course 14...exf6 15. Bxg7 wins with the same double mate threat.
|Sep-06-08|| ||Kasputin: Missed one little thing: the possiblity of black playing 14 ...Bh8. And I was so certain that I had seen all of this. (Note to self: chess is a damn tricky game).|
So for what it is worth, here is what I was going to post:
Black is up a couple of pawns. With white's attack down the h-file and black's strong knight on f6 as a defender, an obvious candidate move suggests itself:
Now black has a choice: take the rook or not.
15. Bxg7 and black is done. White threatens mate on h7 and h8. Black can take care of either one of those threats but not both.
15. Bg7 and again black is done for the same reason as above.
B) Not take:
Well if black doesn't take the rook, there is still the threat of the white bishop coming to g7, and I don't see that black has anything else except:
15. Qxh6 Re8
16. Qh7+ Kf8
17. Rxf7+ and white does a reverse Nietzsche - what you didn't kill makes itself stronger.
So basically mate is a forced.
Now why didn't I simply switch my first and second move order in Thursday puzzle? Then I would have had a Monday - Friday - all done, all complete. Okay, there is always next week. Like old Friedrich, I live in hope.
|Sep-06-08|| ||Kasputin: Obviously I missed more than one thing. (Note to self: chess is really really tricky game! - I was going to use other language but the profanity warning on this site is directly to my right.)|
For example, I missed:
A somewhat better defense is:
<14....Re8> but this does not really help Black regaining his piece back.>
Nice job on the analysis btw.
But apparently, I also missed other possiblities as well. (I will have to go back over those other defence suggestions).
Also I generally don't say much about the "too easy" types of comments that seem to pop up on this site like the mushrooms on the lawn at my apartment building. But I wonder about some of these "too easy" comments. To see the f6 rook sac is easy (at least in my books). And seeing the consequences of taking the rook is also easy. But declining the sacrifice isn't so easy (to me anyway). This is not directed at anyone in particular, but did all of you who said "too easy" see all of it? I mean all of the possible responses and replies?
I also have to say that I enjoyed many of the other comments on this particular game (and it is a wonderful game btw). Afterall, 2 references to Nietzsche. How can you beat that? Well I think the following did beat that:
<0o0o0o0o0: <sexymichelle7: I solved today`s puzzle in 6min25sec(according to my digital chess clock)...Not bad for a Beverly Hills Blonde:)>
Being a Beverly Hills blonde you probably read the clock wrong, 6hrs and 25 minutes :)>
You made me laugh out loud :-)
|Sep-06-08|| ||Once: <Manic: <zenpharoahs> OK nevermind I assumed <Once> looked into the line in depth with his computer.>|
Ooops! My mistake - I pushed Fritz into the wrong line. <zenpharoahs> got it right, as usual! Sorry 'bout that.
|Dec-12-08|| ||Poisonpawns: Nice video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lnd...|
|Sep-06-09|| ||corbinamman: what happens after 13...Nh5? could that have blunted white's attack?|
|Apr-29-10|| ||kingfu: 14 Bxg7 ...if Nxg7 then 15 Qh7 mate. If 14... Kxg7 wins material or Kingfu.|
|Apr-29-10|| ||kingfu: if Kxg7 then white's move is g4 which was not in the previous kibitz.|
|Nov-26-11|| ||AnalyzeThis: If you know this game, you can beat a lot of good players with the Qh4, Bh6, Ng5 idea.|
|Jun-01-12|| ||Wyatt Gwyon: Bisguier opened up that kingside like a can of Spam. Piggybacking on <AnalyzeThis>, I find that several thematic kingside attacking ideas pay amazingly frequent dividends against careless Modern Defense players.|
|Sep-14-12|| ||FSR: This game really ought to be more famous. An amazing crush of a world-class player. It looks like a game that Tal would play in a simul.|
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