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Joseph Henry Blackburne vs F Grube / J B Burnett
"The Two Wives" (game of the day Mar-13-2007)
Consultation Game (1871), Manchester ENG
Vienna Game: General (C27)  ·  1-0


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Mar-15-03  bishop: Because 10.Bc4 wins the queen.
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  InspiredByMorphy: It looks like black had prospects in the
middlegame. Blackburnes notes on blacks 16th move incline me to think so.
Mar-10-07  Knight13: Move 16: <White's position is anything but a pleasant one.>

It looks bizzare. But Blackbourne is of course right.

Mar-13-07  think: It really takes balls to play the muzio gambit a move behind. Wait...
Mar-13-07  black knight c6: Unpleasant maybe, but I think winning played the right way. Just as in the opening I noticed black was practically playing the King's Gambit but a move behind (and I afford credit for developing an interesting midle game with it!), I noted after white's 15th move, black was still one crucial move behind from a good attack. After this he is struggling to keep his initiative going and keep up the combos.

Also in most brilliant attacks, the right pieces just seem to fall into the right places at just the right moment to make it possible, as if by luck. Most of the time though, the attacker has actually been carefully thinking about the attack a long time in advance and it can be analysed that he has been moving his pieces with a direct and clear intent to his purpose. At move fifteen, Black's pieces don't appear to have been organised in the best possible fashion, or developed purposefully. It would seem better if the Bishop and Queen were in eachother's spots, for instance.

Mar-13-07  black knight c6: Well done though to the two ladies for keeping the game going that long and making a good go of it.

I dislike Blackburn's move Qg4 as it put's his queen in jeopody for almost the rest of the game. Perhaps a quick castle by d6 (with 7. d6, Rxf6 is no longer possible) and Bd2 would make a more solid defense from which to build an attack against the centre pawns or on the king with the conveniantly open g-file. I think white's extra move would show up in a convincing fashion to dash any of black's hopes.

Sorry for the double post!

Mar-13-07  simontemplar44: Who were these remarkable women, anyway?
Mar-13-07  Tactic101: After all those wild sacs, they still lose! I don't get why this is game of the day. Weird.
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  al wazir: I think black would have done better with 9...Bxe3 10. dxe3 (10. fxe3? Rxf1+) Rxf2 11. Qxc8 (if 11. Qg3, then 11...Rxc2; if 11. Qc4+, then 11...Rf7; if 11. Bc4+, then 11...Kh8 12. Qg3 Rxc2) Rxf1+ 12. Kxf1 Qxf8.
Mar-13-07  Cyphelium: <al wazir> After 9.- ♗xe3 10. dxe3 ♖xf2 11. ♕c4+ ♖f7, white is still a whole piece up.
Mar-13-07  alshatranji: I was hoping that the two ladies had won. This would have made it much more interesting.
Mar-13-07  Tomlinsky: <I was hoping that the two ladies had won. This would have made it much more interesting.>

That's where the female of our species are so clever. Even when they win, we mere males rarely even realise it.

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  kevin86: A very unusual game in many aspects!

First,I've never seen a Muzio in reverse. It looks pretty good for white,but like the original,it is a big minefield for the defender.

Second,white seemed to disperce the attack by taking off the rooks in exchange for the queen.

Finally,white was able to set up his pieces like a spring and waited for black to give him an opening so he could drop the cage on his opponents-a la the game MOUSETRAP-or even the play by the same name.

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  al wazir: <Cyphelium: After 9.- Bxe3 10. dxe3 Rxf2 11. Qc4+ Rf7, white is still a whole piece up.> White was a whole piece up in the game as played too.

I didn't say my line was a win, just that it looked better. After 12...Qf6, black has attacking possibilities along the open file.

Mar-13-07  EmperorAtahualpa: Wow, to play such an offensive line-up against Blackburne himself. Ladies with guts, I say!
Mar-13-07  Maatalkko: I think "Desperate Housewives" would have been a much funnier pun.
Mar-13-07  Dr.Lecter: Black played marvelous. It's just that he sacrificed too much material, and when the attack cleared, Black had no chance.
Mar-14-07  THE pawn: <It really takes balls to play the muzio gambit a move behind. Wait...>

HAHA! I didn't understand the pun. Had to read a couple of posts before realising the players were women (except blackburne...)

Mar-15-07  Cyphelium: <al wazir> After 9. -♗xe3 10. dxe3 ♖xf2 11. ♕c4+ ♖f7 12. ♗d2 ♕f6 13. 0-0-0 the king escapes and where is the compensation for black? In contrast, the game continuation led to black having a dangerous initiative. Though that too was insufficient, I'm not sure 9. -♗xe3 etc would be any better.
Aug-27-11  Kingstrong: 8.d3 d4 9.Ne4 forking R & B.Cold be interesting for Whites
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  sachistu: Funny title, but untrue! This was one of multiple consultation games Blackburne participated in at Manchester. F.Grube and J.B.Burnet were both men! Perhaps someone got confused by the header information in Chess Player's Quarterly Chronicle of 'Messrs' and thought it meant 'Mrs'?!

By the way, Grube and Burnett both drew their individual games against Blackburne in the blinfold portion of his exhibition.

I'll submit a correction slip.

Oct-01-14  Sally Simpson: Good spot sachistu, it also has Messrs Grube and Burnett in 'Mr Blackburne's Games at Chess' (No.152) - the pun will also require correcting.

'Black Burn't Grub' or something along those lines.

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  sachistu: Sorry to spoil the fun...and it was the "game of the day" back in '07'! Not sure how <cg> is going to handle that. Your pun isn't bad! Actually, it's terrible! :).

Thanks for overlooking the typos in my post e.g. 'Burnet' should be 'Burnett' and I guess I don't know how to spell blindfold!

Also, thanks for the Blackburne's Games book reference. I don't have a copy and wondered about that, since the notes above were attributed to Blackburne.

Oct-02-14  Sally Simpson: Hi sachistu,

OK I'll work on my puns.

Try if you can to get your hands on Blackburne's book, full of sparkling games. The Blindfold games are amazing.

Blackburne explains some of his blindfold technique and states if he started with White he found it impossible to switch sides. He could not turn the board in his mind. If he took White it was planted permanetly as White.

Blackburne, according to the intro in the book, was the first player to suggest the use of clocks to time chess games. He came third in London 1883 when chess clocks were first used. So he may have had a hand (hey...'a hand'...a pun!) in introducing their use.

I wonder who the first player to lose on time was?

Oct-03-14  David2009: Amazing game, shame about the two wives really being two husbands. Presumably the refutation of the Muzio reversed is to forestall it with the Fischer defence reversed 4.d3 preparing 5.g4 ?

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Does 36...g6+ give any hope?

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