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|Oct-29-12|| ||Phony Benoni: This may be amusing. There might be some solutions featuring ...Qg1#.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||Infohunter: Easy three-move mate; only obstacle consists in the necessity of tiptoeing around the g1-a7 diagonal.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||Infohunter: <Phony Benoni: This may be amusing. There might be some solutions featuring ...Qg1#.>|
How is that possible when White's Queen covers g1 once Black's Rook moves off e3?
|Oct-29-12|| ||andyatchess: yeh qg1 works too|
|Oct-29-12|| ||dick50: 40...Rxh3 to remove the only defender. 41 gxh3 (Kxh3 Qg3#)Qg3+ 42 Kh1 Qxh3#.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Infohunter> I just have a feeling some solvers may miss that detail.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||M.Hassan: Black has a Rook for a knight and a pawn.
|Oct-29-12|| ||Moonwalker: Qg1 would be mate if not for the knight on h3, so removing the defender with a rook which is already attacked twice 40...Rxh3. On 41.Kxh3 Qh1#, gxh3 and Qg1#.|
D'oh! As <Phony Benony> predicted, I forgot that g1 is covered by the white queen once the rook had moved. Not a good start of the week for me!
|Oct-29-12|| ||Eggman: Many, many years ago I falsely declared mate in a tournament game - and went on to lose, too. Embarrassing stuff!|
But I've gotten smarter ... I saw that White queen on a7 alright!
|Oct-29-12|| ||Patriot: 40...Rxh3+ 41.gxh3 Qg1# or 41.Kxh3 Qh1#
<Phoni Benoni>/<Moonwalker> - LOL, It's late so yes--I fell for it!
|Oct-29-12|| ||newzild: Nice to have an "easy" Monday puzzle which, as noted by <Phony Benoni>, has a sneaky little twist. Backward diagonal captures are among the hardest to visualise, and the fact that the Re3 blocks the diagonal adds to the trickiness.|
I usually solve Monday puzzles in a second or two, but this took me 10.
|Oct-29-12|| ||Marmot PFL: Not the easiest ever Monday, certainly.
Perhaps white thought he was getting 2 pieces for a rook, 20 Rxe4 Qxe4 21 Bxg7 Kxg7 22 Qxb4, but missed 21...Qb1+ 22 Kf2 Nd3+ 23 Ke3 Re8+ 24 Be5 de 25 Qxd3 Qxd3+ 26 Kxd3 e4+!
|Oct-29-12|| ||francis2012: xh3+! is crushing and White can't do nothing to stop the mate, it is either xh3 or gxh3, Black simply response with h1+#/g3+# and g1+#|
|Oct-29-12|| ||stst: Try:
42.Kh3 Nf1 dis+#
|Oct-29-12|| ||Gypsy: <francis2012: Rxh3+! is crushing and White can't do nothing to stop the mate, it is either Kxh3 or gxh3, Black simply response with Qh1+#/Qg3+# and Qg1+#>|
All is well, except for the <Qg1> bit. (That loses to QxQ, of course.) Instead Qh3# works.
|Oct-29-12|| ||bachbeet: Got it. No Q sac this Monday.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||nalinw: stst: Try:
42.Kh3 Nf1 dis+#
Aha - in line (A) White has
|Oct-29-12|| ||whiteshark: What an event was <DPMM>?|
|Oct-29-12|| ||diagonalley: <phoney benoni> : <moonwalker> : <patriot> : drat... and double drat i also overlooked that sneaky WQ... must... try... harder|
|Oct-29-12|| ||paavoh: Right <Phony>, that was the initial square for me too but then "wait a sec"!
A slight hiccup in my thought process, but eventually got it before checking the solution.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||Moonwalker: <Patriot> and <diagonalley>: glad I'm not alone in the Qg1 "mate" line! Big-ups for your honesty, too!|
<Phony Benoni>: you've been around this site longer than all three of us, I suspect you've seen this happen more than once!
On that note, I also suspect <Once> will treat us to a tale of deceipt, ignorance or just plain chess blindness!
|Oct-29-12|| ||captainandrewwiggins: >>Phony Benoni: This may be amusing. There might be some solutions featuring ...Qg1#.|
I believe mistakes should be made only once in chess. any more and we make ourselves to be fools, returning back again to the vomit.
those of us who take it more seriously would repeat visualising white's discovered attack on g1 once the black rook moves with many many other examples, so that such a detail cannot be missed in future.
i confess that it eluded me, but took solace in the fact that i haven't trained myself to look for it. how then can i expect myself to see it? and not willing to spend time on it, i cannot hope for too much better in future.
|Oct-29-12|| ||Eggman: I remember a GM who was analyzing with Anand, and he was bemused when in one particular line Anand advocated putting a bishop near the far corner of the board (say, QN8) because the opponent might blunder and forget it was there.|
I wonder if this puzzle would have been more or less difficult to solve if we'd been looking from Black's perspective?
|Oct-29-12|| ||morfishine: <40...RxN+ 41.gxh3 Qg3+ 42.Kh1 Qxh3 mate>|
<Phony Benoni> Like you said, the Queen on <a7> is tripping up a number of solvers: I wonder how many scalps she'll garner before the days over? I feel fortunate to have spotted her
|Oct-29-12|| ||Cibator: <newzild: Backward diagonal captures are among the hardest to visualise >|
Quite right - here's an amusing example from a game of mine many years ago:
click for larger view
Having just blundered a P at b3, I decided to "blunder" another and set a rather crude trap - which my opponent fell into:
21.Rb1 Qxa3? 22.Bxe7 Re8 23.Qxe5
His double-take on seeing this was something to savour. Of course, 23. ... dxe5? 24.Bxa3 (the dreaded backward diagonal capture!) loses a piece. So now instead came 23. ... Qxd3 24.Qxd6 Bf5 25.Rbc1 a5 26.Qf6, and White soon achieved unavoidable mate threats at g7.
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