| Jan-30-12 | | AnalyzeThis: Was 7. a4 necessary? Did White have alternatives, e.g. 7. d3 or 7. Ne5? |
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| Jan-30-12 | | Calar: White had good alternatives so no, it was not necessary. I guess Spielmann just wanted to prevent 7...b5, gaining space on the queenside and putting LS bishop on long diagonal. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | AnalyzeThis: So, 7. Ne5. b5 loses to 8. Bxf7. Black plays 7... e6. Now, 8. Qf3. Well, it's a game, I guess. |
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Feb-22-12
 | | whiteshark: <5... c5> looks just bad. What's the idea behind this 'tempo-loser'? Developing moves like 5...Bg4 or 5...g6 followed by Bg7 seem to be more indicated. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | King Death: <whiteshark> Here's an early game between two future heavyweight fighters with 5...h5, Spielmann vs Alekhine, 1911. |
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Feb-22-12
 | | keypusher: <AnalyzeThis: So, 7. Ne5. b5 loses to 8. Bxf7. Black plays 7... e6. Now, 8. Qf3.> Can't black just play 8....Qd4 9.Qe2 b5 10.c3 Qd6?
<whiteshark: <5... c5> looks just bad. What's the idea behind this 'tempo-loser'?> Clearing the c6 square and preparing to trade off the d-pawn if it comes to d4, presumably. It's the most common response to this rare line in the database. Even Dr. Tarrasch would acknowledge that White has already wasted a tempo with Ng3. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | King Death: In another DB it surprised me to find that in the few games at "master level" that 5.Ng3 was seen, that 5...c5 was not as common, http://www.365chess.com/opening.php... Things are a little different though when all games are included, 5...h5 is seen much more often than any other move, http://www.365chess.com/opening.php... |
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Feb-22-12
| | keypusher: <Things are a little different though when all games are included, 5...h5 is seen much more often than any other move, http://www.365chess.com/opening.php>... But white has played d4 instead of Nf3 in those games. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | King Death: <keypusher> Swat me on the head, here's the revised numbers for 5...h5: http://www.365chess.com/opening.php... http://www.365chess.com/opening.php... At master level the way it's defined there 5...c5 is the most common line, but that wouldn't include games played before the FIDE ratings came into play. With all games counted after 5.Ng3, 5...Bg4 or 5...h5 are usually played. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | RookFile: <keypusher: Can't black just play 8....Qd4 9.Qe2 b5 10.c3 Qd6? > Well, I don't have a computer in front of me (trying to work on rusty analysis skills). White may prefer something like 8..... Qd4 9. Qc3. I don't see anything special for white (maybe it's equal). It may be just my style, but I don't like 7. a4 in this particular position. |
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| Feb-22-12 | | Penguincw: Wow. That pawn made it pretty deep. |
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Feb-22-12
 | | Shams: 8.Qf3/9.Qe2 can't be right.
Why not 7.Ne5 e6 8.a4<?> |
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Feb-22-12
| | whiteshark: <keypusher: Even Dr. Tarrasch would acknowledge that White has already wasted a tempo with Ng3.> You are kidding here, right? In <Die moderne Schachpartie>, game 221 (Dr. Lewitt - H. Caro, m/Berlin 1905) Tarrasch gave <5. Ng3> an <!>
(after 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nf6 5.Ng3! Bg4 etc, of course). |
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Feb-22-12
| | keypusher: <whiteshark: <keypusher: Even Dr. Tarrasch would acknowledge that White has already wasted a tempo with Ng3.>
You are kidding here, right? In <Die moderne Schachpartie>, game 221 (Dr. Lewitt - H. Caro, m/Berlin 1905) Tarrasch gave <5. Ng3> an <!> (after 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nf6 5.Ng3! Bg4 etc, of course).> No, I'm completely surprised! Clearly I didn't pay close attention when the doctor was teaching tempi. Whether white plays Nxf6+ or Ng3 he is moving the knight a third time, but if he takes the black knight, he is removing a developed piece of his opponent, he is doubling his opponent's pawns, and it is still his turn to move after his opponent recaptures. I would have thought that would have all weighed quite heavily with Dr. Tarrasch. |
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sac: 35...Rxe4