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|Jun-23-08|| ||Marmot PFL: <Boomie> Agree. I have never heard Botvinnik's account verified. Capa was a very correct player and anyway its doubtful he would care that much about one game in a simul.|
|Jul-19-08|| ||Helios727: But he lost 4, not 1, and drew 8.|
|Oct-25-09|| ||Champ Chess Player: It's very hard to believe that Mikhail Botvinnik was only 14 when he played this game. He just beat the "Most Invinsible Player"!!!|
|Apr-04-10|| ||The Rocket: Not a very good simul game, Capablanca just plays dubiously and loses.|
Yes botvinnik was very young but still capa plays horribly:=
|Apr-25-11|| ||drnooo: if you look at the position, it wuld be natural for Capa to HAVE to push the few remaining pieces on the right to the center of the board: any other motion would look clumsy. The other account, simply turning the king over would also work, though few accounts hold with that.Then walking on, if tired, it would be easy to read a thousand things into a look. Hardly seems worth all the bother of worrying about Capas behavior or emotion.|
|Aug-20-11|| ||Sneaky: <ismet: move 31 Capa Blunders ?!> Oh really? What do you suggest instead, 31.Bb1? Then comes ...c2 . Or do you fancy 31.Ba4? Then comes Rxg2! |
I'm not sure where Capa went wrong, but it wasn't move 31.
|Aug-20-11|| ||Check It Out: Maybe castling 10.0-0-0 is a good place to start if you want to find fault; Capa gets shredded on the queenside.|
|Aug-20-11|| ||whiteshark: You can already sense 'the patriarch' within the little Botvinnik.|
|Aug-20-11|| ||consul: I'm not strong enough to appreciate the strength of Botvinnik's 29 .. Rc6|
|Aug-20-11|| ||aliejin: "Hardly seems worth all the bother of worrying about Capas behavior or emotion."|
yes, mistreat characters from the past it is easy , especially because they can not defend themselves
|Aug-20-11|| ||kevin86: a masterpiece-if only for the fact that a future champ defeats the present champ in an elegant game.|
|Aug-20-11|| ||BobCrisp: <They had a fascination for Capa exemplified by one of the tournaments in the mid-1930s where Stalin walked up and gazed at Capa from behind.>|
We only have <Olga Capablanca>'s word for this. Colour me skeptical.
|Apr-03-12|| ||David2009: 8.Qb3 seems to have been the first inaccuracy, better 8.Nf3 to reach
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Compare D Jakovenko vs Fressinet, 2012 where Jakovenko beat Fressinet in the last round to win the 13th European Individual Championship (2012). This game continued 8...Qa5 9.Rc1 Bxc3+ 10.bxc3 0-0 11.Nd4 Qxc5 12.Bd3 to reach
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when White, with the two Bishops, has a small pull.
|Apr-03-12|| ||maxi: The thread in Capablanca vs Verlinsky, 1925 is relevant to the present discussion.|
|May-03-12|| ||Anderssen99: Consul: Had Capa retreated his B to b1 then the beautiful point of 29. ...,Rc6 would have been revealed: 30.Re3,Rd2. 31.Bb1,c2. 32.Ba2,Nxa2+!!. 33.Rxa2,Re1+. 34.Kb2,Rb1+. 35.Ka3,Ra6 mate!!|
|May-04-12|| ||Anderssen99: The 33rd move above should read 33....,Rd1+. Sorry for the misprint!|
|Dec-19-13|| ||kingscrusher: Black's move accuracy after White castled queenside is Houdini 4 move 1 or 2 choices ALL THE WAY. This is astonishing accuracy for the then 14 year old Mikhail Botvinnik. My provisional PGN follows:|
[White "Jose Raul Capablanca"]
[Black "Mikhail Botvinnik"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3
Nf6 4. Bg5 Nbd7 5. e3 Bb4 6. cxd5 exd5 7. Qb3 c5 8. dxc5 Qa5 9. Bxf6 Nxf6 10.
O-O-O Maybe a bit too optimisti. Technically black better now (10. Rc1 O-O
11. Bd3) 10... O-O 11. Nf3 Be6 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 12. Nd4
Rac8 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 13. c6 (13. Nxe6 fxe6 14. Kb1 Bxc3
15. Qxc3 Qxc3 16. bxc3 Ne4 17. Rc1 Rxf2) 13... Bxc3 Houdini 4 2nd choice move
depth 20 14. Qxc3 (14. bxc3 bxc6) 14... Qxa2 Houdini 4 first choice move
depth 20 15. Bd3 bxc6 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 16. Kc2 c5
Houdini 4 2nd choice move depth 18 17. Nxe6 Qa4+ Houdini 4 first choice move
depth 20 (17... fxe6 18. Ra1 d4 nearly equal) 18. b3 Qa2+ Houdini 4 first
choice move depth 20 19. Qb2 Qxb2+ 20. Kxb2 fxe6 21. f3 3rd choice houdini
move at depth 22. c4 and rb8 strong as well Rc7 Houdini 4 2nd choice move
depth 20 22. Ra1 c4 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 23. bxc4 dxc4 24.
Bc2 Rb8+ Houdini 4 2nd choice move depth 20 25. Kc1 Nd5 Houdini 4 first
choice move depth 20 26. Re1 c3 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 27. Ra3
Nb4 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 28. Re2 Rd8 Houdini 4 first choice
move depth 20 29. e4 (29. h3 Rd2 30. Rxc3) 29... Rc6 preparing ♖d2 without
allowing ♖xc3! Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 30. Re3 (30. Rxa7 Rd2)
30... Rd2 Houdini 4 first choice move depth 20 31. Raxc3 Rxc2+ 32. Rxc2 Rxc2+
|Jul-10-14|| ||1d410: 6. Capa exchanges a wing pawn for a center pawn
12. planning Bxc3 and either doubling pawns or pinning against the queen 14. Capa chooses to pin the queen
15. Capa is occupying the center while Botvinnik wreaks havoc on the queenside Capa does not tryi to save the advanced but doomed pawn, allowing Botvinnik a material material advantage 17 Capa wins the bishop pair, but he is already a pawn down 19 Botvinnik simplifies by forcing an exchange of queen's hoping to enter the endgame a pawn up 31. Capa loses rather than play the endgame
|Jul-11-14|| ||1d410: 6. Capa exchanges a wing pawn for a center pawn
8. Capa gives up the bishop pair for little compensation.
12. planning Bxc3 and either doubling pawns or pinning against the queen 14. Capa chooses to pin the queen 15. Capa is occupying the center while Botvinnik wreaks havoc on the queenside Capa does not try to save the advanced but doomed pawn, allowing Botvinnik a material advantage 17 Capa wins a knight for a bishop, but he is already a pawn down 19 Botvinnik simplifies by forcing an exchange of queen's hoping to enter the endgame a pawn up 31. Capa loses rather than play the endgame
|Jul-13-14|| ||1d410: I edited it to be more exciting and less boring|
|Dec-27-15|| ||TheFocus: From a simultaneous exhibition in Leningrad, Russia on November 20, 1925.|
Capablanca scored +18=8-4.
Source is <Unknown Capablanca> by Brandreth and Hooper.
|Jan-08-16|| ||thejack: People emphasize that Botvinnik was only 14 when this game was played, but what really amazes me is that he had learned to play chess at age 12, just two years before!!?
And people say Fischer was naturally talented..|
|Jul-10-16|| ||GarloPemberton: Fix. 8. ...Qa5 is too good for Botvinnik. Capablanca was a crooked character, and the Russians have always been crooked. While he was in Russia, they, no doubt, paid Cap to take a dive to the kid they were grooming to be their next champion.|
|Jul-10-16|| ||GarloPemberton: 10. 0-0-0 also looks especially weak. The Russians like to long castle at bad times in prearranged games to create weakness for the side designed to lose, see Korchnoi- Karpov WCC challenge (I think it's the last game of the match, when Korchnoi long castles from white creating enough weakness for Karpov to win.)|
|Jun-28-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Page 55, 'Soviet Chess' by Bob Wade.
"Though two well-known chess players sitting on the same bench gave me a lot of advice, I succeeded in winning a pawn."
Hinting that despite being advised to 'do this' or 'try that', he ignored them and won his pawn.
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