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| May-07-09 | | gofer: I have chosen
34 Rc4
Option 1) for black
34... bxc4, 35 Bc5 Rc1, 36 b3 Kf1, 37 Bxf2 Kxf2, 38 b2 Rxc2, 39 b1=Q winning Option 2) for black any other move that moves the rook on f2 or king 35 Rc3 attacking pawns on b3 and g3 and protects the valuable pawn on c2 Option 3) for black any other move that moves does not move the rook on f2 35 Bc5 pinning the rook on f2
now lets see what got played... |
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| May-07-09 | | gofer: Cool, got one right for a change... |
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| May-07-09 | | kkshethin: This puzzle is in two part. first 34...Rc4 and then finding 35...Bc5. I found first move but then alas. What a Combination |
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May-07-09
 | | mike1: Hi
Am surprised that so many got it right...But I think that 34.Bc5 is winning too. 35 Rxc2 Bc4,36 Rf2 Rc3 wins and 35 Kg2 is again met with Rc4. |
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| May-07-09 | | Hafen Slawkenbergius: Took me a few seconds.
Well, a few seconds to remember. I've seen this one before. |
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| May-07-09 | | RobertLangdon: I had a 'hole' in my knowledge.That the rook can go on c4 was beyond my wildest imagination. |
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May-07-09
 | | DarthStapler: I didn't get it, I chose Bc5 |
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| May-07-09 | | 5hrsolver: I had 34..Bc5 to be followed by 35..Rc4
but I found out it does not work since 34..Bc5 35.Rxc2 Rc4 36.Rcf2 only 34..Rc4! wins right away. What a shock it must have been to opponent. Twice now I had the right idea but wrong execution. |
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May-07-09
 | | agb2002: White has an exchange for a bishop and a pawn and threatens 35.Rxc2. However, the advanced pawn on b4, ready to support his colleague on c2 if possible, and the alignment of the white king and the rook on f2 suggest 34... Rc4 (34... Bc5 35.Kg2): A) 35.bxc4 Bc5
A.1) 36.Rc1 Bxf2+ 37.Kxf2 b3 38.c5 b2 39.c6 b2xc1=Q 40.c7 Qd2+ 41.Kf3 c1=Q - +. A.2) 36.Kg2 Bxf2 37.Kxf2 (37.Rxf2 c1=Q) b3 38.c5 b2 39.c6 c1=Q - +. B) 35.Rc1 Bc5
B.1) 36.bxc4 transposes to A.1.
B.2) 36.Rcxc2 Rxc2 - +.
B.3) 36.Kf1 Bxf2 37.Kxf2 (37.bxc4 b3) Rc3 (now, the immediate 38... Rxb3 39.Rxc2 Ra3 is questionable because of 40.Rc8+ Kf7 41.Rc7+ and 42.Rxa7) B.3.a) 38.Ke1(2) (the king attacks the pawn on c2) a5 39.Kd2 Rxg3 40.Rxc2 (40.Kxc2 Rc3+ winning the pawn endgame) Rg2+, etc. B.3.b) 38.Kg2 (the king defends g3 passively) a5 39.Kf2 Kf7 40.Kg2 Ke7 41.Kf2 Kd7 42.Kg2 Rxb3 43.Rxc2 Ra3 44.Rd2+ Ke7 45.Rc2 Rxa4 46.Rc7+ Kf8 47.Rc8+ Kf7 48.Rc7+ Kg6 49.Re7 b3 50.Rxe6+ Kf7 51.Rb6 Rb4 - +. B.3.c) 38.a5 (trying to fix Black's a pawn) a6 39.Kg2 Rxb3 40.Rxc2 Ra3 41.Rc8+ Kf7 42.Rc7+ Kg6 43.Re7 Rxa5 44.Rxe6+ Kf7 45.Rb6 Ra2+ 46.Ke3 a5 and Black should win. B.3.d) 38.h5 h6 and Black will trade his g pawn for White's h pawn, improving the position of his king and reverting to the previous lines. Let's see. |
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May-07-09
 | | jahhaj: Easy when you remember that connected passed pawns on the sixth always beat a rook. Still a very elegant demonstration. What happens if White plays 34.Rfxf1? I don't see any immediate win but I guess Black plays 34...Rd2 and 35...Bc5 and White is completely helpless. |
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| May-07-09 | | 5hrsolver: < agb2002: White has an exchange for a bishop and a pawn and threatens 35.Rxc2. However, the advanced pawn on b4, ready to support his colleague on c2 if possible, and the alignment of the white king and the rook on f2 suggest 34... Rc4 (34... Bc5 35.Kg2): > 34... Bc5 35.Kg2 Rc4 still wins |
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| May-07-09 | | zooter: I was looking at 34...Bc5 but looks like I'm wrong... |
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| May-07-09 | | solskytz: At first I was totally stumped. I looked and looked and nothing really came. Usually I dedicate at most 2 minutes to the problem and call it a day and look at the solution... but something about today's problem made me go on looking... and gradually the idea came: first, that the b4 pawn is also a participant... then, that taking a c4 rook by means of bc isn't necessarily winning for white... then the idea about a 6th+7th rank pawn couple being stronger than a rook... then I sat down and worked the move order - and I had it solved. Solving time: 5-6 minutes. I never dedicate that much to the puzzles. Today I did! |
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May-07-09
 | | whiteshark: Solution is <34...Rc4!>.
The rook is untouchable as otherwise the two far advanced, connected passed pawns decide the day. The threats after 34...Rc4 are ...c1=Q and ...Bc5 |
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May-07-09
 | | agb2002: <5hrsolver: ...
34... Bc5 35.Kg2 Rc4 still wins>
I think you're right (I should have been more careful), probably is better 35.Rxc2 Rc4+ 36.Rcf2 Bxf2+ 37.Kxf2 Rc3 38.Rd1 activating the rook and creating counterplay: 38... Rxb3 (38... a5 39.Rd8+ Kf7 40.Ra8) 39.Rd1+ Kf7 40.Rd7+ and 41.Rxa7. |
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| May-07-09 | | 5hrsolver: < agb2002: 5hrsolver: ...
34... Bc5 35.Kg2 Rc4 still wins
I think you're right (I should have been more careful), probably is better 35.Rxc2 Rc4+ 36.Rcf2 Bxf2+ 37.Kxf2 Rc3 38.Rd1 activating the rook and creating counterplay: 38... Rxb3 (38... a5 39.Rd8+ Kf7 40.Ra8) 39.Rd1+ Kf7 40.Rd7+ and 41.Rxa7.> Yes. I see you are a applied mathematician. I am just curious what mathematical applications you work on. |
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| May-07-09 | | TheaN: Thursday 7 May
<34....?>
Target: 3:30;000
Taken: 2:27;700
Par: yes
Material: /+ / ds & \
Candidates: Rd1, c1=Q, <[Rc4]> -ML-
Woah, this move is shocking. Black seems to gain the upper hand due to a possible pin on the Rook on f2. The Black Rook is in the way, and this Rook and do two simultaneous tasks by going to: <34....Rc4!!> a mere mortal might not even consider such a move OTB. Now, with the puzzle tag, this becomes only a tad bit more obvious. White can NOT capture this Rook, albeit being two Rook vs Bishop up afterwards! /A\
<35.bxc4 Bc5 36.Kg2 (36.Rc1 b3 with Bxf2 and b2) Bxf2 37.Kxf2 b3 > and the pawns, created due to the capture on c4, cannot be stopped by the Rook. So from two Rooks vs Bishop down, Black creates a full Queen up. /B\
<35.Rc1> now only this remains as a logical move to stop the c-pawn. <35....Bc5!> of course! 36.bxc4 is still losing due to the now, even simpler, 36....Bxf2† 37.Kxf2 b3 . <36.Kg2> what else? Now White IS threatening bxc4. <36....Bxf2 37.Kxf2 Rc3> and the weak pawns are breaking White up. <38.Ke2 Kf7 39.Kd2 Rxg3 40.Rxc2 (40.Kxc2 Rc3† ) 40....Rg2† 41.Kc1 Rxc2† 42.Kxc2 h6 43.Kd3 g5 44.hxg5 hxg5 45.fxg5 Kg6 46.Kc4 a5 > and White has no option to counterattack due to the passed f-pawn. Time to check. |
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| May-07-09 | | TheaN: 4/4
Although White seems to have more options than 38.Ke2, after 34....Rc4 35.Rc1 Bc5 36.Kg2 Bxf2 37.Kxf2 Rc3, both 38.Kg2 and 38.a5 seem just very passive and too slow respectively. That one tempo (in case of a5, Kg2 is worthless) brings the Black King too close. |
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| May-07-09 | | gtgloner: Haven't done any analyzation on this, but I like 34. ... Bb5. Let's see. |
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May-07-09
 | | Peligroso Patzer: This ending is somewhat reminiscent of the twin endings Tylkowski vs A Wojciechowski, 1931 and M Ortueta vs J Sanz, 1933. |
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| May-07-09 | | Manic: I'm with <agb2002> and <5hrsolver> I think 34...Bc5 works as well with 35...Rc4 to follow if K moves. |
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May-07-09
 | | Peligroso Patzer: It is a bit surprising that Yurgis played 35. bxc4, which rather obviously loses. White could have lost in a more prolonged and prosaic fashion in the line that goes 34. Rc4 35. Rc1 Bc5 36. Kf1 Bxf2 37. Kxf2 Rc3, etc. |
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May-07-09
 | | agb2002: <5hrsolver: ...
I see you are a applied mathematician. I am just curious what mathematical applications you work on.>You can have an idea by browsing http://books.google.com/books?id=6J...
and http://books.google.com/books?id=Xp...
. If you are interested you can drop a line on my forum :-) |
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| May-07-09 | | ilundotato: When I was a first year cadet it was drummed into our minds the importance of a passed pawn at the promotional gate, therefore pawn takes precedence, eliminate pawn (Rfxc2 instead of Rcxf2) not bishop.Slug it out, rook an two bishops versus two rooks pawn position slightly favors white. |
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| May-07-09 | | mindmaster: Yep It did easily appear to me the rook sac was the winning move.....But the manner in which I continued..God....
34. ... Rc4 35. bxc4 b3
Now I was searching for a good white move rather than continuing to win the game.....Any Suggestions.... |
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