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|May-11-03|| ||lostemperor: 25...Rd4 is called a Russian exchange. A sacrifice of rook for minor piece to get the initiative. |
|Jul-31-03|| ||hickchess99: botvinnik is a world class player, but how would be have fared against johnny5? or one of those aliens from independence day? |
|Jul-31-03|| ||Anonymous3637: Anyone else have no idea who Johnny5 is? |
|Jul-31-03|| ||Benjamin Lau: Nope. And why would the aliens from Independence Day know chess? |
|Jul-31-03|| ||hickchess99: they were studying earth for 50 years before they blasted us. and chess rules the world, so that's why. johnny5 is the robot from short circuit. |
|Jul-31-03|| ||xu fei: 27.Nxd4 leaves white's bishop with very little activity for the rest of the game. Why not 27.Bxd4 cxd4 28.Nc1 c5 29.Nd3, and the knight can at least make itself useful. |
|Jul-31-03|| ||Corben: I have a theory, Botvinnik was the first russian bot. Wheres the next chess savage? |
|Jul-31-03|| ||beigebook: I think 26. Bxd4 cxd4 27. Na4 c5 28. Nb2 and with Nd3 White has a good position |
|Jul-31-03|| ||Cyphelium: beigebook> 26. Bxd4 cxd4 27. Na4 c5 28. Nb2 Rf8 29. Nd3 f5 with Bb7 and perhaps Bd6 and Qh4. Black seems to have compensation, since white is so passive. |
|Jul-31-03|| ||NiceMove: Johny5 is the guitarist with Marilyn Manson. www.guitar.com |
|Jul-31-03|| ||xu fei: 26.Bxd4 cxd4 27.Na4 c5 28.Nb2 Rf8 29.Nd3 f5 30.exf5 Rxf5 31.Rd2 and white can post rooks on the e-file as well as defend laterally. I'm not sure if black has enough compensation in that case. |
|Jul-31-03|| ||Cyphelium: xu fei> No, not in that case. But I thought after 26.Bxd4 cxd4 27.Na4 c5 28.Nb2 Rf8 29.Nd3 f5, 30. exf5 was out of question, since instead of 30.- Rxf5? black plays 30.- gxf5 with the idea to play e5-e4, Bb7 etc. |
White can try stopping e5-e4 with 31. Nf2, but then 31.- Bb7 32. Re1!? Qd6 with e5-e4 coming seems to be....well, compensation. Perhaps white has better options?
|Jul-31-03|| ||xu fei: <Cyphelium> I think you're right. 30...gxf5 31.Re1 e4 [not 31...Bb7 32.Nxe4 Bxe4 33.f4] 32.fxe4 fxe4 33.g3 Bb7 34.Nf2 [34.Nf4 Bxf4 35.gxf4 Rxf4 ] 34...e3 35.Nd3 Bf3 Those center pawns really get dangerous. |
|Jul-31-03|| ||xu fei: Maybe 30.Rf1 would have been a better try. 30.Rf1 Bb7 [30...fxe4 31.fxe4 and the rook gets active] 31.Re1 f4 32.g3 and white gets an open file. I guess this would have been better than the game continuation since black's bishops aren't so active, but then again I would have been playing against Botvinnik. |
|Nov-15-03|| ||kevin86: How about "Mike vs the Ghost"?.Meaning of course Botvinnik vs Kasparov? |
|Nov-15-03|| ||dbquintillion: Why would 4. Ba4 ever be a good move if you are planning to exchange. Doesn't that just waste precious early moves, or is there some sophisticated theoretical reason I'm not aware of? |
|Nov-15-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: Anand played it in his match agaisnt Yusupov, so i can't imagine it being horrible, but it does seem odd. |
|Jan-19-05|| ||aw1988: Rd4 is called the Petrosian exchange sacrifice.. quite a pretty vice to employ!|
As to the question of Bxc6, it is not bad, the point being that after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 you have the regular Ruy Lopez, and by exchanging black is forced to take back, so in fact white is not losing a tempo here. I think the aim is to give black doubled pawns and then try and explot those- but those can be very handy for black later on- which is why, when I play an exchange Ruy I always go 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. O-O, where black doesn't have time to play Nf6 right away, but later on he may. It's a small nuance, in my opinion a matter of taste. Besides giving black a queenside pawn majority, another threat is the double-bishop advantage later on. If you play accurately, it is not to be feared, but yes, 5. Bxc6, and to an extend 4. Bxc6 is daring, and I would not employ it against an endgame master like Botvinnik. Nevertheless Liublinsky was stronger than I, and no doubt he thought he could get two of three results.
So naturally, I prefer the closed Ruy, but exchanging is not dangerous (although potentially it can be).
|Jan-19-05|| ||aw1988: Extend=extent, and my mistake, I do believe black can reply Nf6 even then. |
|Jul-06-06|| ||Ulhumbrus: After 9...Bd6, Black's weaknesses are on the Queen side, not on the King side. This suggests, instead of 10 Ne2, playing to attack the King side, Nd2 playing to attack the Queen side by Nc4 and Na5 or else Nb3 and Na5. 10 Be3 gets the QB out, after which Nd2 may follow.|
|Jul-06-06|| ||Ulhumbrus: 52 ..d3 prevents White from offering his bishop for the e5 and d4 pawns by Bxe5. After 53...h3 the threat of Be4+ followed ...h2+ has no answer.|
|Jul-06-06|| ||keypusher: <After 9...Bd6, Black's weaknesses are on the Queen side, not on the King side. This suggests, instead of 10 Ne2, playing to attack the King side, Nd2 playing to attack the Queen side by Nc4 and Na5 or else Nb3 and Na5. 10 Be3 gets the QB out, after which Nd2 may follow.>|
Well, Black's position is quite bad at move 24, so perhaps 10. Ne2 is alright.
|Jul-09-06|| ||Ulhumbrus: <keypusher> At move 24 White seems unable to prevent the exchange sacrifice ..Rd4 removing his play against Black's doubled pawns. However it is true that Nc3 is not exact, for after 24 Qc2! Bc7 25 Rxd8+! Rxd8 26 Rd1 the exchange sacrifice is not so good with a pair of Rooks exchanged. On the other hand, Black's game may not be as bad as all that, and before the exchange ascrifice it does have its assets : The bishop pair, a f pawn that is freer to advance than White's f pawn, and a c6 pawn keeping White's N out of d5.|
|Jul-09-06|| ||Ulhumbrus: 18...Nf4 may be not the best. 18...c5 creates the threat of ...c4 and 19 c4 allows ..Nd4. The justification for playing for a Queen side attack is that White has neglected Black's pawn weaknesses on the Queen side by 10 Ne2 playing for a King side attack instead of 10 Nd2 playing for a Queen side attack. If we believe Nimzovich, the penalty for this will consist of Black becoming strong on the Queen side.This suggests that Black is advised to play for a Queen side attack instead of a King side attack, and that suggests 18...c5 instead of 18..Nf4.|
|Dec-31-06|| ||plang: Well, I'm sorry, 5 Bc6 just seems odd to me. Botvinnik's explanation was that after 4..Nf6 black could no longer support his e pawn with f6 which he often does in the exchange variation. Nowadays there are several lines in the exchange variation where f6 is not played so this strategy by white seems antiquated. 5..bc seems pretty passive to me; it is not even mentioned in the books I have on the Ruy Lopez. I agree that taking the exchange with the bishop is more logical; then the knight can be used to blockade at d3.|
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