|Sep-07-05|| ||Helios727: What does white do to maintain the draw?|
|Sep-07-05|| ||aw1988: Note Bd4 fails to, well, dropping a rook.|
|Sep-07-05|| ||RookFile: 26. Rbe1 and white has a clear advantage.|
|Sep-17-05|| ||Helios727: Why would it end in a draw if white has a big advantage?|
|Sep-17-05|| ||agressivechess: 26.Rbe1 fails because a great player like Botvinnik would have surely calculated that 26....-Rd1 27.Qb8 Be7
and now it would have to be Reshvesky to find the right alternative.I hope i'm right becuz iain't using no chess supporting software or anything like that.|
|Sep-17-05|| ||psmith: <RookFile>: 26. Rbe1 Rd7 27. Qb8+ Rd8 28. Qc7 (28. Qb7 Bd4) Rd7 =|
|Sep-17-05|| ||psmith: <aggressivechess> After 26. Rbe1 Rd1 27. Kg2 what does Black do? (and although I sometimes do, today I'm not using software either, other than that installed in my wetware.)|
<Helios727> I think 26. Rbe1 Rd7 is the drawing line as above.
|Sep-17-05|| ||beatgiant: <psmith>
Very interesting final position!
What about something like 26. Rbe1 Rd7 <27. Qc8+> preventing 27...Rd8 28. Qxg4, or 27...Kf7 28. Bxh7, while on 27...Bd8 Black loses the ...Bd4 pin threat so again White looks to be on top. What did you find?
|Sep-18-05|| ||psmith: <beatgiant> Oh yeah. Duh. This is what I get for trying to analyze without a board and pieces. I forgot that after 26...Rd7, c8 would now longer be covered by the Black B.|
Well, now it looks like white's winning after all. So, can some historian tell us why the draw?
<agressivechess> Note that after 26. Rbe1 Rd1 27. Bd5+! seems to win quickly. (For that I credit the online analyzer at chesslab.com.)
|Apr-30-06|| ||plang: The moves are in Golombeks book on the 48 championship|
|Jul-22-13|| ||zydeco: 9.Nf4 leaves black in a kind of strategic zugzwang. 9....c6 looks like the right response but ends up leaving d6 weak. 9....Nc6 might be an alternative.|
23....Rxd6! -- and Botvinnik probably calculated straight through to the perpetual check at the end......otherwise the sacrifice doesn't make any sense.
|Jul-22-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<zydeco>
23...Rxd6 gets a fat question mark in Golombek's book of the tournament. (Botvinnik had 10 minutes left for his 18 moves, btw.)
23...Bf5 was a suggested improvement, whilst in the game 28. Qb3 avoids the Draw.
|Jul-23-13|| ||zydeco: <SimonWebbsTiger> Interesting. Thanks. 23.....Bf5 24.Rbe1 Bxe4 25.Rxe4 Qg6 26.Rxe6 Rxe6 27.Qxg6 Rxe1+ 28.Kf2 hxg6 29.Kxe1 Bxb2 has to be a draw while 26.....Qxd3 27.Rxe8+ Kf7 gives black a material deficit but good winning chances: 28.c5 and 28.....Qf3|
24.Be5 might be an improvement, though, with 24....Bxe4 25.Rxe4 Bxe5 26.Rbe1 and if 26....Qf5 the rooks are better than the queen after 27.fxe5 Rxe5 28.Rxe5 Qxd3 28.Rxe8+ Kf7 29.R8e7+
28.Qb3 looks killer as opposed to 28.Kf2. If 28.....Re8 29.Kh1, black has 29.....Bxe3 30.Rxe3 Bf3+ but 29.Kg2 and black's stuck because 29.....Bxe3 30.Rxe3 and 30......Qd4 runs into 31.Bd5+.
|Jul-23-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<zydeco>
Golombek took the other bishop after 23...Bf5 24. Be5, i.e. 24...Bxe5. The jist of the variations being mass liquidation occurs leading to either a white queen versus 2 rooks or a bishop v. bishop endgame, both favourable for Black.
|Jul-24-13|| ||zydeco: <SimonWebbsTiger> Oh ok. 25.Bxf5 (after 24.....Bxe5) runs into 25....Rd6 and .....Bd4. Thanks.|