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| Oct-26-05 | | aw1988: However, <patzer2>, as was shown, 57. Bg5 Nc6 58. Bxd5 Nd6 59. Bf3 Kf5 60. Bc1 b5 61. Bxc6 bxc6 62. a5 would had to have been found at the board. |
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| Nov-28-05 | | TigerPawns: this final position makes me very sad for wonderful bronstein. but one has to wonder whether it really cannot be drawn... wouldn't a draw have given bronstein the title? |
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| Mar-29-06 | | whatthefat: <TigerPawns>
A draw here would have given Bronstein the title, as long as he didn't lose the final game. |
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Jun-06-07
 | | talisman: what about 30. ...Kn(c)-b4? for bronstein? |
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| Jan-03-08 | | mateifl: Was Bronstein decision to give up the bishop pair so early in the game wise? I'd say not. |
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| Mar-23-08 | | Knight13: Bronstein thought for like 40 minutes in the last position and finally resigned. Beautiful demonstration of two bishops vs two knights. |
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| Jun-25-08 | | TheaN: Is there a reason for Black not to play 56....N8e7? Maybe he was aiming at a d6-e4 jump, but this seems to defend: 56....N8e7 57.Bg5 Nf5! and Black ought to draw after 58.Bxd5 Ncxd4. What am I missing? |
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| Sep-22-08 | | offramp: I believe this is a mutual zugzwang:
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Whoever has the move loses. It is called a trébuchet.
But I agree with the comments of <paladin at large> <I am not sure it exists, for the simple reason, I suppose, that the player who is not under Zugzwang is able to take advantage of the "bad" move the first player makes, and improves his position after that "bad" move. Otherwise, the first Zugzwang would not have existed.> |
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Sep-22-08
 | | whiteshark: <ajile: <zug·zwang ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tsktsväng) n. >> I tried to spell it this way, but now I've a knot in my tongue. Can you please solve it! Tfankhs |
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| Nov-01-09 | | GaeBulg: Rybka's eval is actually giving a slight edge to black here...(-1.04 at depth 26)
So why did he resign? Yes he has to lose a pawn, but he's up a pawn anyways and at least could have tried to draw it... |
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| Nov-01-09 | | GaeBulg: I'm sorry, I misread Rybka's analysis. It does indeed give White the edge with +1.04; however, I still think Bronstein could have tried for the draw. |
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Dec-06-09
 | | Hesam7: <<57. Bg5!> click for larger viewAt this point the press room was receiving a call every 15 seconds asking for news. Keres, Tolush, Flohr, Kotov, Bondarevsky and Averbakh had been analyzing frantically as Bronstein's position collapsed. They waited about 40 minutes for a move. "Then came the stunning news - Bronstein had resigned. Veinstein said many spectators thought that when the players shook hands it was because they had agreed on a draw. Kotov wanted to know why Black had not played 57. ... Nc6 58. Bxd5 Nd6 and Bronstein, "the picture of absolute dejection," apparently had not considered it much. "For the first time Konstantinopolsky was looking quite angry with his young protege." Bronstein later credited Smyslov with finding the win: 59. Bf3 Kf5 60. Bc1! so that after 60. ... b5 61. Bxc6 bxc6 White's a-pawn promotes.> -- Soviet Chess 1917-1991 by Andrew Soltis |
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| Feb-23-11 | | oshkar72: Which is the blunder of Bronstein? Before the 40th Movement or after the reanudation? Can anybody explain me?
Regards |
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Feb-23-11
 | | perfidious: <oshkar> Bronstein's win of a pawn (giving up his only active piece) at move 35 was an error, though even then, Botvinnik had to display superb technique to bring home the point. |
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| Feb-27-11 | | 64rutor: Nobody ever saved a game by resigning.
(Jeremy Silman, How to Reassess Your Chess) |
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| Jul-23-11 | | shatranj7: Looks like zugzwang to me! |
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| Nov-19-11 | | Tigranny: This is why I like bishops more than knights. |
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| Jan-21-12 | | erniecohen: <oshkar72,perfideous> Bronstein has a draw well in hand until move 52. Proper defense is to keep his s at a7 and c6/e7 so as to be prepared to play b5 if white moves his off of the a6-f1 diagonal to go after the d pawn. If white tries to go after the b6 pawn with his DSB, Bronstein takes the opportunity to bring his s to c6 and f5. White then has to trade his LSB for the c6 (after which the Black king gets back in time to stop the a pawn), or trade h-pawns, leaving an easily drawn position (because all of the pawns are on the same side). |
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| Jan-21-12 | | Nerwal: 7... xh3 always strikes me as a prime example of a psychological mistake made in the context of a decisive game. Maybe the resulting position is still equal, but there was absolutely no need for black to play this way, and this choice always gives white something to play for, even after Botvinnik has to agree eventually to the exchange of queens. |
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| Jan-21-12 | | erniecohen: Interestingly, Botvinnik himself missed what was going on in his own analysis (published after his death): "More resistant was 50… e7". In fact, his recommended move loses immediately, while Bronstein's 50... a7 was in fact the best move, and should have drawn. And he is completely silent regarding 52... c8, which turned out to be the fatal mistake. |
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Apr-16-12
 | | Peligroso Patzer: < [from Jul-01-05] > <iron maiden: <by the way in that story Bronstein names the final position the "Zugzwang!", so i guess i finished the previous debate> Not necessarily. A lot of the top players disagree about what the exact definition of zugzwang is. There seems to be no real consensus.>> Case in point: Check the linked annotation for White’s 9th move in the famous Morphy vs. Duke of Brunswick game: Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 (in which a commentator with not inconsiderable credentials describes the position as “like a zugzwang position”). I am not sure what makes a position "like" a zugzwang, but in the position in question, Black's prospects would not exactly be improved if it were White on-move. (<Note>: The referenced comment is not in the kibitzing thread, but rather appears in the space beneath the re-play board when the position from the famous Morphy game after <9. Bg5> [as given below] has been selected by clicking on the appropriate field in the moves table.)  click for larger view |
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Apr-17-12
 | | Peligroso Patzer: < [from Aug-08-05] >
<perfidious: Whatever pressure Bronstein may or may not have faced, the culprit in this critical game was his 'win' of a pawn with 35.... Bxc1, as noted by Botvinnik.> In the recently-published book, <The Greatest Ever chess endgames> (<sic>), by Giddins, Steve, Everyman Chess ©2012, at p. 107, the comment is made that after Botvinnik’s suggested <35...Kf7>, Black could have maintained equality after <36.Bxa6 bxa6 37.Bc7?!> (Better is: 37.Be1 ) <37...Bxc1 38.Kxc1 Nxb3+ 39.Kb2 Na5>. In fact, the position resulting from this variation (see below), in which Black retains his dark-square Bishop until White exchanges one of his B’s, and only then trades B-for-N on c1 in order to capture on b3), seems much <better> than merely equal for Black. He has an extra pawn, and White cannot take on b6 (because of the fork on c4). Even on the safe assumption that Botvinnik would not have blundered away his B with 40. Bxb6???), c4 would have been a wonderful square for the Knight, if Bronstein had gone in for this variation.  click for larger view |
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| Jun-13-12 | | DrChopper: I think 52.Nd8 would have been a much better move. If 53.Bc7 then Ne6 54.Nxb6 Nc8 55.Bc5 b6 56.Ba3 Nf4 and black should be fine to at least hold the draw. Bronstein should have been world champion. |
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| Jun-14-12 | | Everett: <erniecohen: <oshkar72,perfideous> Bronstein has a draw well in hand until move 52. Proper defense is to keep his s at a7 and c6/e7 so as to be prepared to play b5 if white moves his off of the a6-f1 diagonal to go after the d pawn. If white tries to go after the b6 pawn with his DSB, Bronstein takes the opportunity to bring his s to c6 and f5. White then has to trade his LSB for the c6 (after which the Black king gets back in time to stop the a pawn), or trade h-pawns, leaving an easily drawn position (because all of the pawns are on the same side).> Ive played around in this position for a bit vs Shredder on the iPhone, and it seems to be true. Anyone see a flaw in this plan? Also, the fact that Black is better with best play by move 35, as pointed out by <Peligrosopatzer> is remarkable. Seems the more we delve into these old games, the "story" needs to be changed quite a bit. |
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Oct-21-12
 | | Conrad93: Bronstein had a chance for a much better game. Botvinnik's opening was rather strange. |
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