|Sep-11-03|| ||ughaibu: One for Drukenknight (if he ever comes back) a tripled pawn equals a bishop. |
|Sep-11-03|| ||Benzol: Interesting Game |
|Sep-17-03|| ||fred lennox: The Bishop is worth more than the tripled g pawns. Smyslov should of gone for a kingside attack. As Botvinnik states 27 Qg2...Rfe1, h6...Ba5, Re5 with a powerful attack. Smyslov's mistake is to go for automatic exchanges thinking a superior positon will win itself. Instead black is left with no winning attacks. What makes weak pawns really vunerable are heavy pieces. Attack! not lay back. |
|Sep-18-03|| ||ughaibu: If 27.Qg2 how about Rc4? |
|Sep-19-03|| ||fred lennox: I like Re7...Qd8 or 6, Bxc4...dxc4, Qxb7. No credit to my broad strategy if this works for I did not see the interesting...Rc4 |
|Oct-19-03|| ||ughaibu: DRUKENKNIGHT: What's your view? |
|Oct-19-03|| ||drukenknight: well ugi, for one thing, I had to modify my theory of doubled pawns. For second it is way too late in the morning, I was feeding baby the last couple hourse. But let's see....|
Okay the game ended in a draw; and black had 3 more pawns for the B, so material was even that seems fine. Perhaps there was a problem not one of material/attack but time/space?
You know Botwinnik. is like the only player in history to retreat the B to a4 in the Winawer. Tal also did that once vs Fischer, at Leipzig.
if you look at the early going, black is actually ahead in development, if that is the case then I say start making exchanges, start doing stuff. Forget that stuff: "all the pieces must be on their best squares before the attack" If the guy is behind in development why let him catch up? Besides is it really an attack? you're just trying to take advantage in some way.
You can see that this is actually what Botw. does try to do. 11....NxN I would agree that makes sense, now he has 3 pieces out vs only 1 for white. Perfect how often do you get that as black?
Why not 12...a5? Just keep exchanging, good things are bound to happen if your opponent has made serious error. Is black going for an attack? material? who cares? just read and react.
14...f6 you can see that was just a little late huh? A move or two earlier would have better effect, black makes 2 moves 12/13 and whatever advantage there was is lost.
|Oct-19-03|| ||ughaibu: Thanks for the long reply, if you'll indulge me I'll think about your suggestions little by little, on the theoretical side, I thought Smyslov was well ahead but it turned out to be an illusoion. Had the three pawns been on the queenside (famous queenside majority) I think Smyslov would've won, on the kingside they act somewhat as a barbed wire fence does. |
|Apr-08-08|| ||Knight13: I like how Botvinnik keeps his bishop on c1 and let the position tell him where it belongs, which is definitely b2!!!|
|Feb-24-11|| ||shalgo: Botvinnik calls both 14...f6 and 17...Qe8 serious mistakes, remarking after 18...Ng6 that "this leads to a completely lost position, but it is already difficult to know what to advise Black."|
Stockfish, however, concludes that Black is fine after 18...f5 and that 14...f6 and 17...Qe8 were not mistakes at all. Instead, 18...Ng6 was a big error.
The computer agrees with Botvinnik's conclusions that 25.a5! would have been more precise and that 27.Qe6+ throws away White's large advantage. the computer prefers 27.Qe7 and 27.Qg2.
|Feb-08-12|| ||Poisonpawns: On move 14..Perhaps h6 or a6 according to Wade,Whiteley, and Keene
19.f5 is winning according to Wade,Whiteley, and Keene in the book:World Chess Championship Botvinnik to Kasparov. They cite 25.Rae1? as an error when (25 ed Qxe2 26.Bxe2 Rc2 27.a5 wins.
They also give 27.Qe6+? saying that Qg2! wins. They give = after 31..Kxe8|