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|May-09-12|| ||sevenseaman: <gofer: Part of me want to remove my back-rank mate threats with <29 g3> my position seems really pretty good, but I think that that will allow black to wriggle out of a losing position>|
The difference between a good player and a slightly less so; one hangs the noose and the other hangs in the noose.
Dont you think that it is a strong hint that if Tal is leaving himself prone to a back rank mate, he must have a watertight plan in which the other player never gets a look in, nada tempo. Check, check, check ... it gotta go; and it did.
Mikhail Tal was a shark who ate up opposition for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
He is on top of the list of my favorites, remorseless. Fischer could have come close but he lost time on 'organizational' niceties. (A WC should never have to be tied down in 'office work'.)
|May-09-12|| ||whiteshark: <29. Nd7+> and that's it.|
|May-09-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <Abdel: 2) 29. c7+, xc7; 30. ca2, c8 (the best of several rook moves); 31. a8+ (not 31. b6?, a4!, when black holds thanks to the back-rank mate threat), c7; 32. c1+, c4; 33. xc8+, xc8; 34. xc4, dxc4; 35. xc4+ ą|
Mind you, I've gotten a total of two hours' sleep over the past two days, so I may have missed something. If I have, I hope someone will point it out to me.>
A little easier win in that line is 29. c7+ Rxc7 30. Rca2 Rc8 31. Ra8+ Kc7 <32. b6+> Kxb6 33. Rxc8
|May-09-12|| ||Memethecat: 29Nd7+ Bxd7 (29...Kc7 30b6+ Kd8 31cxb7 Rxc2 32b8=Q+ should be enough)|
30cxd7 Rxc2 (30...Rd8 31Rc8+ Rxc8 32Ra8+ Kxa8 33dxc8=Q+ Ka7 34Qc5+ K~ 35Qxd4)
31d8=Q+ Rc8 32Ra8+ Kxa8 33Qxc8+ Ka7 34Qc5+ K~ 35Qxd4
|May-09-12|| ||zb2cr: No credit to me, I merely remembered 29. Nd7+, Bxd7; 30. cxd7, Rd8 (30. ... Rxc2; 31.d8=Q+, Rc8; 32.Ra8+ ) 31.Rc8+, Rxc8; 32.Ra8+, Kxa8; 33.dxc8=Q+, Ka7; 34.Qc5+. |
To <ferrbraz>: You wrote: <I prefer 29. ...Bd7 30. cd7 Rd8 31. b6! Rd7 (31...Rb4 32 Ra8 and 33 Rc8) 32. Rca2 and 33. Ra8 # (the Rook on d7 takes an escape square)>. In your line, after 31. b6!, Rxd7 isn't 32. Ra8+, Kxa8; 33. Rc8# simpler?
|May-09-12|| ||jokerman: I find this line to be most amusing and hard to imagine:|
1.Nd7+ Bxd7 2.cxd7 Rd8 3.Rc8+ Rxc8 4. Ra8+ Kxa8 5. cxc8=Q+
The number of variations in this puzzel is higher then I'm used to on a Wednesday.
An interesting puzzel for beginners is 'prove white wins after: 1.Nd7+ Kc7'
looking forward to the next one. And yes i'm a lurker :p
|May-09-12|| ||Patriot: Black is up a pawn.
29.Nd7+ looks winning.
A) 29...Bxd7 30.cxd7 Rd8 31.Rc8+ Rxc8 32.Ra8+ Kxa8 33.dxc8=Q+
B) 29...Kc7 30.b6+
B.1) 30...Kd8 31.cxb7 Rc4 32.Rxc4
B.2) 30...Kd6 31.cxb7 Rc4 32.Rxc4
If I was faced with this position in G/30, I'd better have a lot of time remaining!
|May-09-12|| ||paulalbert: Looked at some other ideas, but too speculative and didn't deal adequately with back rank mate risk or seem to accomplish anything. Finally decided on Nd7ch and calculated the variations with both Bxd7 and Kc7 and all seemed to put white in a superior material winning position, but was afraid I had missed something more spectacularly decisive. Turned out to be right.|
|May-09-12|| ||rilkefan: I had in mind 31.b6 after ...Bxd7 cd Rd8, which wins too.|
I found this quite difficult.
|May-09-12|| ||doubledrooks: I saw that 29. c7+ wins material (after 29...Rxc7 30 Rca2 Rc5 31. Ra8+ Kc7 32. Rxe8) , but then I noticed that 29. Nd7+ also looked good, but was more complicated. However, I went with 29. Nd7+. |
One possible line is 29...Kc7 30. b6+ Kd6 31. cxb7 Rxc2 32. b8=Q+ Ke7 33. Nf6
|May-09-12|| ||kevin86: My try (abandoned) was 29 a8+? xa8 30 c7??? d1# no bad for suicide?!|
|May-09-12|| ||solskytz: Saw it in less than 10 seconds - just familiarity with the intermediate-check theme (like, 1. Nd7+ Bxd7 2. cd R moves away 3. Rc8+ RxR and now 4. Ra8...|
Ra1 was setting a subtle trap to Botvinnik - removing a rook from where he protects the knight, making a 'combo' possible, and putting the same rook where he'll give the decisive check four moves deeper into the line.
Pretty clever! But Botvinnik shouldn't have bitten.
|May-09-12|| ||BOSTER: Looking at <POTD> I have to say that Heisman's advice "When picking candidates, start with checks> sometimes is very useful.|
So, we have to choose between 26.Nd7+ or 29.c7+.
After 29.Nd7+ Bxd7 (if Kc7 b6+ and black lost) 30.cxd7 Rd8 31.Rc8+ Rxc8 32.Ra8+ (another prove of the power the opened file) Kxa8 33.dxc8=Q+ Ka7 34.Qc5+ and game is over.
In variation with 29.c7+ Rxc7 30.R2a2 with threat Ra8#. Maybe the best for black is Rc1+ 31.Rxc1 Bxb5 32.Rb2 Re4(orf6) 33.Rxb5 Rxe5 34.Rcb1 and black lost.
Even playing with two bishops vs two knights Botvinnik lost this game.
Even Caro-Kann is not always a plasid harbour.
|May-09-12|| ||chrisowen: By Jingoism? 29.Nd7+ fort almost changings carriages |
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|May-09-12|| ||TheBish: Tal vs Botvinnik, 1961|
White to play (29.?) "Medium/Easy"
At first glance, the knight check doesn't do much... but at second and third glance, it does!
29. Nd7+! and now:
(A) 29...Bxd7 30. cxd7 Rd8 (of course not 30...Rxc2 31. d8=Q+ Rc8 32. Qd6+ Rc7 33. b6) 31. Rc8+! Rxc8 32. Ra8+ (removing the defender) Kxa8 33. dxc8=Q+ Ka7 34. Qc5+ followed by 35. Qxd4.
(B) 29...Kc7 30. b6+ Kd6 (Kd8 is about the same) 31. cxb7 wins the rook or queens, i.e. 31...Rd8 32. b8=Q Rxb8 33. Nxb8, or 31...Bxd7 32. Rxc8 Bxc8 33. b8=Q+, or 31...Rxc2 32. b8=Q+ Kxd7 33. Qa7+ Kd6 34. b7 Rb4 35. b8=Q+.
|May-09-12|| ||dragon player: It seems this week is WCC-week. I think this puzzle is
from the game in which Botwinnik's Winawer was cracked.
Lets have a look. This move looks fine:
If 30...Rxc2 31.d8(Q)
and white is a queen up.
But what to play after:
and 32.b8(Q), winning material.
Time to check.
This wasn't the game I was thinking it was, but I was right.
|May-09-12|| ||VincentL: "Medium/Easy".
Black has an extra (doubled) pawn.
I am sure I have played through this game, but I cannot remember the continuation here.
The first move to examine is 29. Nd7+
Then if 29.....Bxd7 30. cxd7 Rd8 31. Ra8+ Kxa8 32. Rc8+ Rxc8 33. dxc8=Q+ leaving white with a Q for R + P advantage
If 29.....Kc7 30. b6+ Kd8 31. cxb7 and now black loses.
31.... Bxd7 leads to a line similiar to the above. Or 31.... Kd8 32. cxb7 Rb8 33. Ra8 etc.
|May-09-12|| ||David2009: Rewind to move 24 and set the position up on Crafty End Game Trainer: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...
The EGT defends with the game line until |
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(Black to play). The EGT now plays 27...Rxd4 28.Nxd4 Bxe5 when the win still exists but is hard to find without silicon help. Enjoy finding it!
|May-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Wednesday, May 9th, 2012
What more can be said about Tal that hasn't been said already - an astounding Chess genius!
<29. c7+! Rxc7 30. Rca2>
White wins as Black has to give up material to prevent mate. For example,
(30...Rc1+ 31. Rxc1 ; 30...Rd1+ 31. Rxd1 ; 30...b6 31. Ra8+ Kb7 32. R1a7#; 30...Kc8 31. Ra8#; 30...Rcc4 31. Nxc4 dxc4 32. Ra8+ and 33. Rxe8 )
(31. b6? Ra4! and Black defends effectively as 32. Rxa4 Bxa4 33. Rxa4?? Rc1#)
<31...Kc7 32. Rxe8> and White has an excellent material advantage.
|May-09-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: I went with 29. c7+ which is fine and should win after a heavy technical display, but why go to all that trouble when 29. Nd7+! wins a lot more straight-forward.|
0.60 out of 1 today.
|May-10-12|| ||mistreaver: LoveThatJoker, you forgot to say, how do you continue after say :|
I can only see
31 b6 Ra4
32 Rxa4 Bxa4
and white is a piece up
|Jun-04-12|| ||Anderssen99: Black's position is clearly hopeless, and the following variation is the prettiest: 29...,Bxd7. 30.cxd7,Rd8. 31.b6!!,Rxd7 (What else?). 32.Ra8+!!,Kxa8. 33.Rc8 mate.|
|Mar-03-13|| ||maxi: <Anderssen99> Actually 31.b6 does not work because of 31...Rc4 32.RxR dxR 33.Rd1 c3 and you can check White loses. The winning line is 31.Rc8+ RxR 32.Ra8+ and it does not matter what Black plays, he is screwed.|
|Mar-03-13|| ||beatgiant: <maxi>
On 29...Bxd7 30. cxd7 Rd8 31. b6 Rc4, why wouldn't White reply <32. Rca2>?
|Mar-16-13|| ||maxi: Sorry <beatgiant>, I hadn't seen your answer. I guess b6 works, too.|
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