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David Bronstein vs Iosif Rudakovsky
USSR Championship (1945), Moscow URS, rd 6, Jun-09
Alekhine Defense: Four Pawns Attack. Main Line (B03)  ·  1-0
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Dec-25-08  Brown: 23.Bg4 is a nice in-betweener, creating disharmony in the black camp.

If <27...hxg6 then one line is 28.Qh6 Kg7 <..Rg7 29.Be6+> 29.Qh7+ Ke8 30.Qg8+ Ke7 31.Rfe1+>

If white was careless in the game with <31.Be6?? then 31.Qxe6!>

The various finales
32..Rg7 33.Qxd8+ Kf7 <..Qe8 34.Qxe8#> 34.Bxh7+

32..Kh8 33.Rxe7

32..Kf8 34.Be6+

Dec-25-08  Vishy but not Anand: < Brown: 23.Bg4 is a nice in-betweener, creating disharmony in the black camp. If <27...hxg6 then one line is 28.Qh6 Kg7 <..Rg7 29.Be6+> 29.Qh7+ Ke8 30.Qg8+ Ke7 31.Rfe1+>>

Your move 28. ....Kg7??? is an illegal move and also the king move a la Knight from ...Kg7 to 29... Ke8?? is another illegal move! Illegal move is considered immediate loss if done in the tournament, so you will be loss twice in a single game (that is not possible). I don't think Fischer nor Seirawan will advice that so I guess you should also learn from Fischer. Though I find your originality with those illegal moves, I can't say that you atleast nears the "requirements of accurate play" as you claimed in your profile.

<If white was careless in the game with <31.Be6?? then 31.Qxe6!>>

I think you should say that if a player handling white is a novice he may make that mistake, it is quite obvious that it is an elementary blunder.

In your profile, if you want to become a better chessplayer, you should also learn from the two greatest players in the history(Fischer and Kasparov)a lot of their games are full of brilliancies. You have the option to know or not their characters but it doesn't necessarily mean you have to follow their characters. It is kind of childish if you cannot separate their personal beings and chess. Even Vishy Anand who is a very gentleman eversince and now an undisputed World Champion is not reluctant to say that he learned a lot from Fischer. Fischer games are his foundation.

These are the crosslinks from chessbase.com interviews with Anand.

http://sports.timesofindia.indiatim...

This is how a matured person and now the Undisputed World Champion takes Fischer.

http://www.indianchessfed.org/News/...

So if you want to be a World Champion (or the very least, a good chessplayer than you are now as a novice), you should look more on their brilliant chess games and not of what kind of human being they are.

Dec-26-08  Brown: <Vishy but not Anand>

Wow, I seem to have upset you! You may think what you wish, of course, but I do believe that great chess is played by many, and for an amateur like me, one cannot take them all in. Sit and enjoy your disagreement with me. I will continue enjoying the games I enjoy.

Thanks for seeing my typo. In the line you site 28..Kf7 would be the correct move.

Best wishes on your chess journey!

Dec-28-08  Everett: <Vishy but not Anand>

From your profile
<Now, I don't have practice for atleast 20 years, so I always avoid bookline well analyzed openings and I deviate as early as possible to bring the games into a position that most probably both players have to think on the chessboard.> Well, not very much like Kasparov or Fischer, but much like Bronstein himself.

<I'd realized that Chess is not for me, due to I am so impatient and felt really bored for waiting if my opponent thinks so long. > Well, may I suggest, <if you want to be a World Champion (or the very least, a good chessplayer than you are now as a novice)> you may wish to change your style.

<I am an aggressive player and loves to sacrifice for the beauty of the game but sometimes they are not so sound. I want to finish the game as early as possible. Most of my games are either win or loss, I seldom accept draw unless it is really a drawn position.> And now you sound like Tal or Larsen!

Your post above was vicious and ugly. You obviously took offense to someone not liking Kasparov's or Fischer's character. Why are you attached to these players? See, we all have favorites! Because you were emotionally hurt, you lashed out at a simple typo! In your own words, <It is kind of childish>.

Dec-28-08  Vishy but not Anand: < Everett: <Vishy but not Anand> From your profile
<Now, I don't have practice for atleast 20 years, so I always avoid bookline well analyzed openings and I deviate as early as possible to bring the games into a position that most probably both players have to think on the chessboard.> Well, not very much like Kasparov or Fischer, but much like Bronstein himself.>

Bronstein? Nah... Kaspy? Nah.... Fischer? Nah... When I was active, yes, I learned a lot from Fischer games. Kaspy, yes I also looked at some of his great games. Bronstein? Also yes.

It is quite simple for not playing so much opening theories if you don't have a practice, BUT it does not necessarily mean I am following Bronstein style.

<<I'd realized that Chess is not for me, due to I am so impatient and felt really bored for waiting if my opponent thinks so long. > Well, may I suggest, <if you want to be a World Champion (or the very least, a good chessplayer than you are now as a novice)> you may wish to change your style.>

Yes your comments are quite nonsense and "BS". I never wish to become a world champion and it is quite obvious that I stopped playing tournaments a long time ago as I mentioned in my profile.

<<I am an aggressive player and loves to sacrifice for the beauty of the game but sometimes they are not so sound. I want to finish the game as early as possible. Most of my games are either win or loss, I seldom accept draw unless it is really a drawn position.> And now you sound like Tal or Larsen!>

I love the games of Tal but Larsen? Larsen was good but never on my list but I also played some of his games.

<Your post above was vicious and ugly. You obviously took offense to someone not liking Kasparov's or Fischer's character. Why are you attached to these players? See, we all have favorites! Because you were emotionally hurt, you lashed out at a simple typo! In your own words, <It is kind of childish>.>

Yes, it is vicious and ugly. I don't care how you interpreted it. Chess should be separated from Fischer and Kaspy's character and I know everybody has its favorites! But we all have to grow if you want to be better than Novice as you are now for sure. You must concentrate on those good games regardless of who played them. You have to learn from the way they handle the positions and not the way they handle their personal affairs.

I am not emotionally hurt, I simply castigate those childish people like you who can't even open their minds! It is ok for you to give an ugly comment for the players you hate but it is not okay for you for others to do the same if they are one of your favorites. Like your comment below...

< Everett: Fischer was always an ugly person, with a gracelessness that almost prevented him from reaching the title. Now that computers play equally well, and sometimes with more imagination than Fischer was capable of, maybe we can move on to great players who are actually good people as well.> L Sanchez vs Pachman, 1959

I sometimes give negative comments on GM style but I never bash those GMs especially on their personal characters. I'd rather bash those ignorant kibitzers like you who pretend to be righteous and who loved to throw stones to the GMs they hate personally. Don't you have personal character defects to judge them? I am sure you have lots....

Dec-28-08  Everett: <V B N A>
Basically, you, like many, are hypocritical. Sure that I am as well. No biggy. I pointed out how you, in your profile, don't even follow your own advice, and the "advice" you give wasn't even requested or on the mark. Nothing you said refutes these facts.

As far as Fischer is concerned, we can very well get into an argument whether he was ultimately good for chess, because I feel he was on balance, not. I have no problem posting what I feel is the truth about him. I don't applaud terrorism as he has, I don't relish in other individual's failures as he had in the sited game. I wish you well in your games and life, but if you started spouting hatred in a public forum, or respect genocidal dictators because the ruling party is really, really good at chess or some other "art" then I would quickly disassociate as would many other sensible people.

It is very human to consider the whole person, and to make decisions to protect ourselves from negative people, individuals who take away more than they give to the world.

After all this, I want to thank you, because you brought up something I've been doing, which is bringing attention to negative people when it is more important to praise the worthy. I will endeavor to do so from now on.

Dec-28-08  Vishy but not Anand: < Everett: <V B N A> Basically, you, like many, are hypocritical. Sure that I am as well. No biggy.> You are hypocrite but not me so don't try to include me!

< I pointed out how you, in your profile, don't even follow your own advice, and the "advice" you give wasn't even requested or on the mark.>

I don't follow my own advice?? How did you jump on that lousy conclusion? When I was active in chess, I studied the games of the players even those amateurs if I found them interesting regardless of their characters. I don't play regular chess anymore for a long time and I learned from my own mistakes about being impatient in time during those earlier years. I even criticized my own fault/failures in my profile so newcomers could learn from my mistake specially if they will take it as a career.

<Nothing you said refutes these facts.> Yes, you created your own facts and concluded way far from the truth!

<As far as Fischer is concerned, we can very well get into an argument whether he was ultimately good for chess, because I feel he was on balance, not.>

Yes, because your focus is in his personal character and not in chess but he already did a lot in chess despite of leaving earlier in the arena. He was the one initiated and fought the organizers that prize funds should be bigger and there must be appearance fees (direct and indirectly) that top GMs are enjoying these days (I still focus on chess). Before him, a lot of players had never experienced to get good prizes even in the World Championships and some even end up like a beggar and died hungry.

<I have no problem posting what I feel is the truth about him. I don't applaud terrorism as he has, I don't relish in other individual's failures as he had in the sited game.>

No one applaud terrorism here. You are going very far for whatever reasons. Your personal hatred to Fischer is not related to chess and I am not interested to know about it. If you want to focus on his personal character then create another blog that will clearly states "Exclusive to Bash Fischer's Personality".

< I wish you well in your games and life,>

Games? You have read and even attached my profile here but you can't absorb my remarks in my profile that I stopped playing serious chess 20 years ago.

< but if you started spouting hatred in a public forum, or respect genocidal dictators because the ruling party is really, really good at chess or some other "art" then I would quickly disassociate as would many other sensible people. >

I don't understand why you are trying to switch on more political discussion (genocidal dictator's etc...) Just absorb my comments! So let me reiterate, "separate chess with your personal hatred to those who played them". Do what you preach <but if you started spouting hatred in a public forum> Stop spouting hatred in public forum or <respect genocidal> what a crap?? no one respect genocidal here, you are simply creating your own personal argument to switch in something not directly related to chess. I won't hesitate to bash kibitzers if they tried to attack personal characters of the players than to focus on the way they played the games.

<It is very human to consider the whole person, and to make decisions to protect ourselves from negative people, individuals who take away more than they give to the world. >

Yes, it is very human to judge people the way you want it. If you can tell this site that your life and character is perfect and prove it then I might believe you, else just focus your comment in chess the rests are chessplayers decision what character they wanted to be. Anyway, no character is identical.

<After all this, I want to thank you, because you brought up something I've been doing, which is bringing attention to negative people when it is more important to praise the worthy. I will endeavor to do so from now on.>

The fact, we are actually learning (it's a continuous process) not only from the good things those players have shared but also from their mistakes that we should also take positively to avoid repeating the same mistake by ourselves.

Dec-29-08  Everett: *sigh*
We clearly value different things. You may separate things as much as you wish, but others don't have to, and it is not wrong to do so, on this site or any site. In fact, you're wrong-headed to even try to control what other's may value.

Just because you don't understand parts of my post to you doesn't make you right. It merely shows your ignorance.

Chess is not the be-all-end-all. It is one of many ways for humans to express themselves, hopefully in a noble and uplifting fashion. You find value in the game itself, and that value supersedes the character of the actual humans who play it. I completely disagree. Without the heart and minds of human players, chess becomes an interesting puzzle for computers to solve, nothing more.

Fischer applauded the 9/11 attacks. He spewed hatred against many groups, notably the Jews. He cared nothing of sportsmanship, only to fake it enough to eventually win. He wanted to crush/destroy his opponents minds. It is very sad, but he in fact managed to crush his own mind during his rise to the top of competitive chess.

Keep ignoring these qualities, and by all means follow those you think are worthy. Keep trying to tell kibitzers to only talk about what you think they should talk about. Good luck! You haven't succeeded here!

I wished you good luck in any chess game you played, not just "serious" ones. A shame you couldn't figure that out.

Finally, this whole thing started because of your nasty post. <Brown> never stated he had great aspirations, yet you gave him snide advice like he wanted to become very good. That's what I called you on. You don't even realize what you've said!

Dec-29-08  Vishy but not Anand: < Everett: *sigh*
We clearly value different things. You may separate things as much as you wish, but others don't have to, and it is not wrong to do so, on this site or any site. In fact, you're wrong-headed to even try to control what other's may value.>

You don't have value at all, you are just hypocrite. I never tried to control what others may value, You can't just read properly what I have written and it is your burden not mine.

<Just because you don't understand parts of my post to you doesn't make you right. It merely shows your ignorance.>

Yes, you are completely ignorant, you can't simply absorb my post.

<Chess is not the be-all-end-all. It is one of many ways for humans to express themselves, hopefully in a noble and uplifting fashion. You find value in the game itself, and that value supersedes the character of the actual humans who play it. I completely disagree. Without the heart and minds of human players, chess becomes an interesting puzzle for computers to solve, nothing more.>

I don't want to say you are simply moron, unfortunately. All great GMs these days at some point of their career have studied Fischer' games but are their character like Fischer?? Of course not and not even close. You are too narrowminded unfortunately because of your personal hatred to Fischer.

<Fischer applauded the 9/11 attacks. He spewed hatred against many groups, notably the Jews.>

I actually don't want to discuss about it but since you keep insisting personal issues, I will but not directly from me but from known respected figure no other than your first favorite Seirawan to satisfy your greedy appetite to bash Fischer! You should also hate Seirawan don't you? He does not hate Bobby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrG...

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

US lack of support to their chessplayers up to their Champion Bobby was inexplicable. US should support Bobby for his comeback on 1992, instead he became wanted/fugitive by US. Chess is life for Fischer as he mentioned in his earlier years. Can you imagine having no life for 20 years (he did not play serious chess on those years) and the opportunity to get back in his so called "life", he became wanted instead from 1992 onwards because of playing chess again?? You are human and you should feel how he feels that time, his life was completely stolen but of course you can't because you are too drowned by your hatred with his remarks in 9/11 in 2001 (almost 10 years since he became wanted).

Bush Government despite of probably greatest technologies, cannot catch the real culprit "Bin Laden" so to forget the incompetency for a while, they go after Fischer.

But US doesn't really have any other grounds and 9/11 Fischer's remarks can't be a ground because it doesn't really hurt anybody. So they have to awaken their original cause the "1992 match played in Yugoslavia". I won't speak further for this, I would attached rather Spassky's remarks on it.

http://www.bobby-fischer.net/Ex-riv...

Dec-30-08  Vishy but not Anand: < Everett: ><He cared nothing of sportsmanship, only to fake it enough to eventually win. He wanted to crush/destroy his opponents minds.>

He never fought his opponents on the board but only the organizers. He is just vocal for wanted to see breaking his opponents ego but in general that is every chessplayer's objective to win the game! And loser's always have a bad feeling on it and no exception for that.

<It is very sad, but he in fact managed to crush his own mind during his rise to the top of competitive chess.>

He did, but I am sure you are not sad (what a hypocrite) but in fact you are happy. You never regarded what happened to him after he left chess on 1975 and his comeback in 1992 that made him fugitive.

<Keep ignoring these qualities, and by all means follow those you think are worthy. Keep trying to tell kibitzers to only talk about what you think they should talk about. Good luck! You haven't succeeded here!>

Yes, you are human as you claimed that you are stucked-up with personal hatred for his remarks. You never consider how he feels from year 1992 (when US made him fugitive by playing chess) 'til his death. He is not the real "Bin Laden" not even close!

<I wished you good luck in any chess game you played, not just "serious" ones. A shame you couldn't figure that out.>

Yes, you are a big shame, carry your personal hatred 'til your death to Fischer.

<Finally, this whole thing started because of your nasty post. <Brown> never stated he had great aspirations, yet you gave him snide advice like he wanted to become very good. That's what I called you on. You don't even realize what you've said!>

That is just a fact as I previously mentioned, even other GMs actually advised that if you want to become a good player, no one can ignore Fischer'games. But of course except you because you are full of hatred.

You should also criticize yourself you are also insane for keeping hatred until now and I am sure 'til the rest of your life. Grow up!!

Dec-30-08  Everett: A continued remarkable misreading of my posts <VBNA>, in too many ways imaginable. I don't know why you are so angry about someone who thinks differently than you, but I want no more part of it.

Dec-30-08  Vishy but not Anand: < Everett: A continued remarkable misreading of my posts <VBNA>, in too many ways imaginable. I don't know why you are so angry about someone who thinks differently than you, but I want no more part of it. >

Good!

Dec-30-08  Everett: *burp*
Dec-30-08  Vishy but not Anand: <Everett: *burp*>

You really want to have the last word "LOL"!

Dec-30-08  Everett: <Vishy but not Anand: <Everett: *burp*>

You really want to have the last word "LOL"!>

Dec-31-08  WhiteRook48: you're not going to have the last word LOL
Jul-11-11  Everett: <WhiteRook48: you're not going to have the last word LOL>

Maybe, maybe not.

May-12-17
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  wwall: Perhaps the losing move is 22...exd5, which allows the attack on the black rook with 23.Bg4. Better seems 22...f5, threatening 23...Qxh4.

28.Qh6 was strong, threatening 29.Be6+ Rf7 30.Bxf7+ Kxf7 31.Qxh7+ and 32.Qe7 mate

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