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|May-08-12|| ||Everett: Before Larsen and his rook-pawn pushes, there was Bronstein.|
|May-08-12|| ||TheFocus: Petrosian was also known for h-pawn pushes, but before him and Bronstein, there was Flohr! I believe they copied this from Salo.|
|May-08-12|| ||Shams: So, should I stop telling my rugrats not to play 1.a4 or 1.h4<?>|
|May-08-12|| ||TheFocus: <Shams> no, it is easier for them to continue that way. That way, you can continue to easily defeat them.|
After all, do you really have time to start teaching them all that messy opening stuff?
|May-08-12|| ||TheFocus: I remember when my son asked me, "Dad, do you think I will ever be as good as you at chess?"|
I looked at him and said, "Not the way I'm teaching you."
|May-08-12|| ||Shams: <TheFocus> That's funny. Not too thrilling beating people who don't know how the pieces move, though.|
|May-08-12|| ||Everett: <TheFocus: Petrosian was also known for h-pawn pushes, but before him and Bronstein, there was Flohr! I believe they copied this from Salo.>|
Funny, some old Bronstein games seem like early Petrosian-style games before the Armenian made a name for himself with his cramped style. Here is one example I could easily see Petrosian playing: G Abrahams vs Bronstein, 1947
Could you steer me in the direction of A particular Flohr game that showcases rook-pawn play? Thank you!
|Aug-26-13|| ||Everett: One of the many beautiful aspects of this game is the Nf8, quietly minding the K, while the rest of the army, pawns and all, and tearing the White army to shreds.|
|Jan-07-14|| ||GumboGambit: Somewhat ironic in that beginning with 20, it was Bronstein gobbling up Pachmans material|
|Feb-09-14|| ||tranquilsimplicity: Bronstein is the most creative Chess player I have observed. Others include Chigorin, Spielmann, Nezhmetdinov and Tal. #|
|Jul-27-14|| ||Oceanlake: I wonder why Pachman chose not to play 5. de.|
|Jul-27-14|| ||morfishine: Wizardry|
|Jul-27-14|| ||Once: Sometimes we throw away our own pawns in order to open lines of attack against the enemy.|
In this game, Bronstein sacrifices material in order to gobble his enemy's pawns so that his own long range pieces can torture the white king.
Odd that pawns can be both precious and worthless, depending on the situation.
|Jul-27-14|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: not sure what the great improvisor would say....I played a blitz game recently and rattled off a good many of the themes from this game (and the twin v. Zita, from this match) in under a minute.
I suppose Davik would shrug his shoulders and say the new generations learn from the old.|
It is difficult to imagine now how this and the Zita game, plus the games of Fellow Knights of the KID -- Geller and Boleslavsky, were the stuff of revelation back then.
|Jul-27-14|| ||playground player: The Focus> <"Not the way I'm teaching you."> LOL!|
|Jul-27-14|| ||Everett: <It is difficult to imagine now how this and the Zita game, plus the games of Fellow Knights of the KID -- Geller and Boleslavsky, were the stuff of revelation back then.>|
Funny, I find the modern player's smugness regarding past games both sadly understandable and laughable. It indicates the natural lack of imagination of most people.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Check It Out: Can someone explain the pun?|
|Jul-27-14|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: a reference to the Pacman computer game, where our entrepid hero has to eat those "beans" and avoid the ghosts?|
|Jul-28-14|| ||supermexico: After 13.Rc1 instead of 13...c6 Stockfish ver. DD64 SSD4.2 gives 13...ab3 14.ab3 Ng4 (ponderating -0.54 deep 23).|
|Jul-28-14|| ||kevin86: White is about to lose his rook.|
|Sep-28-14|| ||tranquilsimplicity: <Everett> I noted that especially; Nf8! And I agree with you.#|
|May-21-15|| ||plang: 8 b3?! was popular in the early days of this variation but is rarely played now as it creates weaknesses on the long diagonal. Bronstein recommended 12 a3 so as to answer 12..a4 with 13 b4; instead after the game continuation 12 Bb2?!..a4 had White played 13 b4 Black could have responded 13..a3!. 14 Ba1?! was an odd choice, with the rook on c1 he could have considered 14 b4..a3 15 Ba1..Ncd7 16 b5 when White still has a small initiative. With 23..Qxf2! Bronstein avoided the trap 23..Nxa1? 24 Nd5!..Qxf2 25 Nf6+..Kh8 26 Nxe8. A pretty mate would have resulted from 24 Qxb3..hxg+ 25 Kh1..Bxh3 26 Rg1..Bxg2+ 27 Rxg2..Qf1+ 28 Rf1..Qh3#; Perhaps White's best defense would have been 24 Rd3..Nxa1 25 Qxa1..Nd7.|
|Jul-21-17|| ||GlennOliver: Would someone be kind enough to explain the line that yields the assured Black win from this position?|
The best I can find is a draw by repetition.
|Jul-21-17|| ||ughaibu: GlennOliver: Which position and what is your best attempt?|
|Sep-30-17|| ||Albanius: GlennOliver: if you mean the final position when W resigned, all moves except 32 Kg1 or Kh1 drop the rook on d4 immediately to a forking check on f6 or e5;|
32 Kh1 loses to ..Ra1+ 33 Rd1 Rxd1+ 34 Qxd1 Qxe4+ and Qg2 mate.
32 Kg1 Ra1+ only loses more slowly to the same sequence, which leaves B with 4 passed Ps for the exchange, plus a mate threat and a centralized Q.
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