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Lev Aronin vs David Bronstein
USSR Championship (1951)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. Open (B32)  ·  1-0
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Jul-20-12  LoveThatJoker: Awesome game from GM Aronin - Maybe not given the title by FIDE, but a GM strength and quality player for sure!

"39. ?" White to play and win, would make for an excellent Wednesday/Thursday puzzle!

LTJ

Jul-20-12  TheTamale: Agreed, <LTJ>. Fun game and interesting position.
Jul-20-12  LoveThatJoker: <TheTamale> I'm glad that you went through this game, man!

Seriously, it is rare to hear too much about guys like Leonid Stein and Lev Aronin, but their contributions to the game are phenomenal!

LTJ

Jul-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: So far as the sentiment goes regarding Aronin I agree, but Stein is hardly underrated in chess history. They could both play a little.
Jul-20-12  LoveThatJoker: <perfidious> I never said that GM Stein is underrated.

I said that not much noise is made about him; as compared to many of the other greats of the latter-half of the 20th Century.

LTJ

Jul-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: You haven't done much reading, I guess; moreover, Stein never quite made the world titleholder class, though he was certainly jobbed by the regulations at the Interzonal stages.
Jul-20-12  LoveThatJoker: <perfidious> I've actually done a fair bit of reading on Chess.

By you saying that "moreover, Stein never quite made the world titleholder class", you are confirming that there is a reason why much noise isn't made about him, compared to other Chess greats; therefore, you are agreeing with what I'm saying, but you're too stupid to know it.

Welcome to my ignore list!

LTJ

Jul-20-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: My life is over; I've made iggydom in two posts.
Jul-27-12  TheTamale: <LTJ>: Hi, LTJ. I love chess but don't follow it super closely... I'll admit I was surprised that Lev Aronin wasn't a contemporary player! Shame on me. Naturally I knew who Bronstein was, though.
Jul-27-12  Everett: <perfidious> <LTJ>

We all know that things sound worse when written than spoken, and this is just another case.

Ultimately, <perfidious> has a point. Anyone who knows a bit about chess history will have come across Stein right after the WCs, the failed challengers, and those on the cusp (Larsen, Keres, Geller). He was, after all, three-time USSR Champion.

Aronin of course could play, but he simply didn't achieve what Stein did. Stein is deservedly better known by those interested in scratching the surface of chess history.

Jul-28-12  LoveThatJoker: <TheTamale> :)

LTJ

Jul-28-12  LoveThatJoker: <<>Everett: Anyone who knows a bit about chess history will have come across Stein right after the WCs, the failed challengers, and those on the cusp (Larsen, Keres, Geller). He was, after all, three-time USSR Champion.>

This is precisely the point I already made: That you will first hear all sorts of stuff about the WC's, the great challengers, those who kinda came close to be great challengers; and only then will you hear about legends like Stein.

Stein is a tremendous GM and obviously one about whom noise <is> made; just <not as much> as the others.

We're obviously on the same page here; yet for some reason, it seems that you are trying to put me in with those who are <not> 'interested in scratching the surface of chess history'.

LTJ


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