|Sep-18-06|| ||suenteus po 147: <iron maiden> Another candidate for your Zugzwang! collection?|
|Oct-18-07|| ||guybrush: I don't see the continuation after 48..Re7
Some obvious next moves:
49 Rc8 Re6
49 Rf8+ Kg7
|Oct-18-07|| ||drmariogodrob: <guybrush> I like 49. Rf8+ Kg7 50. Rc8 Re6 51. Kf5 and the invasion is complete. Neither does 49. Rf8+ Ke6 50. Rh8 hold any hope.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||Gypsy: < guybrush: I don't see the continuation after 48..Re7 > 49.Rh8 Kg7 50.Rc8 Re6 51.Kf5... should let down curtains easily enough.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||guybrush: Ah I see:
48..Re7 49 Rc8 Re6 50 Rh8 Kg7 51 Kf5
and black will lose the e or c pawn. Eg:
51..Re7 52 Rc8
51..Rf6+ 52 Kxe5
|Oct-18-07|| ||CapablancaFan: Interesting endgame! Bronstein decides he wants to do this without queens today, so by move 6, both sides are truly left to their own devices. The middlegame spar is entertaining as slowly, all the pieces are exchanged until we are down to a classic rook/pawn endgame. This is where Bronstein shines as he begins to play very actively forcing his opponent to slowly go passive. The final position is amusing. Even though material is perfectly level, black has no way to defend all the backward pawns. Here's one example: 48...Kg7 <to defend the h6 pawn> 49. Re8! Kf6 <the only move that defends the e5 pawn> 50.Rg8!<not h8> and the h6 pawn is history because 50...Rg7 is pointless due to 51.Rc8! Black resigned because 51.Rg6 cannot be stopped. Black has no way of defending the h6 pawn AND the c6 pawn at the same time! Good game by Bronstein.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||think: Why was 42. g5 necessary? It just looks like it needlessly gives up a pawn.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||CapablancaFan: <think: Why was 42. g5 necessary? It just looks like it needlessly gives up a pawn.> Because Brostein wanted that square cleared for his king. Notice after 44.Kg4, the black king is tied down to the e6 and f6 squares to prevent the invasion by the white king.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||Manic: Can someone please tell me the idea behind Panno's 32...g4 ?|
|Oct-18-07|| ||black knight c6: I really don't see much point in it, apart from an act of desperation. Perhaps he wanted some counterplay in the way of getting his rook on that file (which happened at 36. ) but white's king easily covers it and leaves white to generate winning play on the queenside anyway.|
The position looks pretty zugzwang'ed for black anyway. No pawns can move without being lost, the king can't move (if he moves to g7, then the white rook can get the back rank unapposed, as opposed to moves 33/34) and the rook can oscillate between e7 and c7.
I think black's position by that stage is so passive anyway that is he lost already.
|Oct-18-07|| ||King mega: Don't Panic out|
|Oct-18-07|| ||sanyas: Looks like a proper zugzwang.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||Alphastar: I like this Bronstein - Panno game much and much more:|
Bronstein vs Panno, 1973
|Oct-18-07|| ||Sydro: I don't think it is zugzwang because even if black could skip his move he would still lose.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||drpoundsign: what a brilliant guy!!
Panno was like the Axis desperation Battle of the Bulge
|Oct-18-07|| ||ounos: 37. ...Rg7 was careless. Ke6 should pose a more stubborn defence.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||sanyas: <Sydro> What am I missing? If Black skips, what does White play?|
|Oct-18-07|| ||Andrew Chapman: <What am I missing? If Black skips, what does White play?>Rg8 I think|
|Oct-18-07|| ||kevin86: White's goal in this one was to penetrate into the black side with the rook. Now black must make the grim choice of which pawn to lose. Either way,his game collapses like a house of cardinals.|
|Oct-18-07|| ||MarkThornton: <Alphastar: I like this Bronstein - Panno game much and much more:
Bronstein vs Panno, 1973>
It's new to me, but what a game! Much better than the one we are kibitzing here.
|Oct-18-07|| ||paulalbert: <Sydro> RE: Zugzwang Comment. As you do, I interpret Zugzwang (" obligation to move" ) to mean a position where the defender loses only because he has to move, a precise definition which does not apply to that many positions except certainly many important K + P positions and other positions having fortress characteristics. However, others are not as rigid in their application of the term Zugzwang. Even Nimzowitsch's so-called "Immortal Zugzwang Game" against Saemisch does not really meet the criterion of being a Zugzwang position in my view. Paul Albert|
|Oct-18-07|| ||Whack8888: I love it when these guys (top level players) go through a crazy tactical melee to reach an advantageous endgame!|
All of Bronstein's play leads to him getting an active rook in a the endgame.
So simple, and it is enough to win.
|Oct-18-07|| ||Whack8888: Hehe, I geuss it actually wasnt all that tactical, the weird pawn structure and my quickly going through it (not to mention that I usually play really really boring positions) meant that I thought it was a bit crazier than it was. Oh well, there were a couple of tactics.|