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|Nov-09-07|| ||zb2cr: Missed it. Like several others, I have to confess I went down the wrong path with 60. ... Ng5+; 61. Kg2, Qe4+; 62. Kf1.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||patzer2: <ongyj> <Benlude> I think you mean to look at 60...Bh4 and not 60...Bh5 (not a legal move). If so, then 60...Bh4 61. g5 Nxg5 62. Rxg5 = lets White back in the game. Of course White must avoid 60...Bh4 61. Kxh4?? Qh2#.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||patzer2: <Whiteshark> Good point on the 60. Rg1?? final blunder. After 60. Rd2 Ng5+ Kg2 =, White should hold the draw despite his exposed King position.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||Jimfromprovidence: A couple of observations. If instead of 62 Rg2 white tries these two alternatives, more disaster.|
If 62 Qf1 then 62…Qh2+ 63 Kg4 Ne5++
If 62 Qa1+ then 62… Kg8 63 Qe5 Bxe5 64 Kg4 h5+ 65 gxh6ep Qf5+ 66 Kh4 Qh5++
White’s only (desperate) move was 62 Qxd6 Nxd6, losing the queen for the bishop.
|Nov-09-07|| ||kevin86: Excuse me,but where is the win here? Black can regain the rook,but material would be even-so what gives?|
Black also can give perpetual check-but it's still a draw.
|Nov-09-07|| ||Gypsy: <kevin86: Excuse me,but where is the win here? Black can regain the rook,but material would be even-so what gives?|
Black also can give perpetual check-but it's still a draw.> 64.Kg4 Qg3#.
|Nov-09-07|| ||kevin86: <gypsy> Thanks,I had a little case of chess blindness. I missed the rook being blocked by the king.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||YouRang: Very nice puzzle, but I missed it. My mind went spinning out of control trying to find the win after 60...Ng5+ and other vain tries. I should have considered 60...Qf2 though, as it is a direct mate-in-1 threat -- just as forcing as a check.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||Grampmaster: I didn't see the simple positioning move of 60...Qf2.|
Without 15 minutes over the board I would have played 60....Ng5+, hoping for the checkmate variation.
Nice puzzle. Bronstein was a great player.
|Nov-09-07|| ||fm avari viraf: Though, White is exchange up but his position looks shaky. Here, Black has three choices 60...Ng5+, ...Bd6 & ...Qf2. But my choice would be 60...Qf2 as it threatens mate next move. Now, White has no satisfactory reply for instance 61.Rg2? Qh4# & 61.g5 then ...Bd6 |
|Nov-09-07|| ||pawnofdoom: Nice play by Bronstein. I doubt i would ever see such a move like that in a real game. I spent 10 minutes trying to find a win after Ng5+|
|Nov-09-07|| ||SickedChess: lol after 64.Rf4 took me fifty seconds to get 64..Qg3# :(|
|Nov-09-07|| ||zahbaz: I really liked this one. I was mulling over the knight check and never even saw Qf2. Great play.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Strange that Bannik blundered a Pawn early in the opening. The sdolution was quite pleasing.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||SuperPatzer77: See 60...Qf2!! is much better than 60...Bd6 or ...Ng5+ because 60...Qf2!! prevents White King from escaping and threatens to checkmate the White King with 61...Ng5 so, the only move for White to avoid being checkmated is 61. g5. However, 61...Bd6! sets up a mating net on the White King. After 61...Bd6!, 62. Kg4 Qf4+, 63. Kh3 Qh2+, 64. Kg4 Qh5# .|
White cannot afford to capture the Black bishop at d6 with White Queen to give Black the greater advantage so, White tries 62. Rg2 to prevent the Black Queen from moving to h2 to check the White King. However, Black's powerful reply to 62. Rg2 is 62...Nxg5+! forcing checkmate. If 63. Kg4, then 63...Qf4# . The only move for White is 63. Rxg5 Qh2+, 64. Kg4 Qg3# .
|Nov-09-07|| ||Jimfromprovidence: I don’t see what 60… Ng5 or Bd6 do except probably give away a half-point. If white next plays 61 Kg2 for either of these two preceding moves then black must eventually settle for draw by perpetual check.|
Am I missing something?
|Nov-09-07|| ||patzer2: 60...♕f2!! 61. g5
(61. Rg2 Qh4#)
(61. Qd5 Ng5+ 62. Qxg5 Bxg5 )
(61. Qa1+ Bf6 62. Qc1 Ng5+ 63. Qxg5 Bxg5 )
(61... Nxg5+? 62. Rxg5
Bxg5 63. Qd7+ Kh6 64. Qg4 Qf1+ =)
(62. Qa1+ Be5 63. Qf1 Qh2+ 64. Kg4
62... ♘xg5+ 63. ♖xg5 ♕h2+ 64. ♔g4 ♕g3# 0-1
|Nov-09-07|| ||znprdx: Hardly a Friday puzzle but Qf2 is an elegant finesse, in that it avoids the risk of transposing into a bishops of opposite colour draw if White can reurn the exchange on say g5. The pretty point is that knight can do the job of fending off a renegade queen check once the Bishop follows up at d6. Nevertheless Bd6 would probably do the job just as well - even after Kg2 I'm not convinced by the analysis offered....Black should win handily|
|Nov-09-07|| ||patzer2: <Jimfromprovidence> I think you're correct. Here's a bit of computer (Fritz 8) analysis:|
60... Bd6 61. Kg2 Qh2+ 62. Kf1 Qf4+ 63. Kg2 Qh2+ 64. Kf1 = (0.00 @ 14 ply)
60... Ng5+ 61. Kg2 Qe4+ 62. Kh2 Nf3+ 63. Kh3 Nxg1+ 64. Qxg1 Bd6
65. Bd1 Qd3+ 66. Kg2 Qd2+ 67. Kh3 Qc3+ 68. Kg2 Qxb4 = (0.00 @ 14 ply)
|Nov-09-07|| ||Crowaholic: Nice side line: 62. Qf1 Nxg5+ 63. Kg4 h5+ 64. Kxg5 Bf4#|
|Nov-09-07|| ||patzer2: Or 62.. Qf1 Qh2+ 63. Kg4 Qh5#.|
|Nov-09-07|| ||tal lover: i waste about 1 hour to find the answer, hard problem|
|Nov-09-07|| ||jperr75108: Nice game by Bronstein|
|Nov-10-07|| ||SuperPatzer77: 60...Qf2!!, 61. Rg3 Ng5+, 62. Kh4 Qh2+, 63. Rh3 Qxh3#|
61. Qf1 Ng5#
61. Rg2 Qh4#
So, 61. g5 is the only move to put up the fight against Black. However, Black's strong reply is 61...Bd6! .
|Nov-10-07|| ||ongyj: <patzer2> Sorry for the mistake on notation, and thanks for introducing the simplifying 61.g5!|
Well, missing 60...Qf2 simply misses the whole puzzle=(
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