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|Aug-23-13|| ||OBIT: <Conrad93> In your 10. d6 line, try 11...Bg4 instead of 11...Be6. Now if 12. Nb5?! Bxf3 13. Qxf3 Nxe5 looks good for Black, so best is probably 12. Bf4 to guard the e-pawn. Play may continue 12...Qd7 13. Be2 (13. Ne4? Qf5! wins a piece) O-O-O 14. O-O f6 with very messy complications, e.g. 15. ef gf 16. Ne4 h5 17. Nxf6 Qf5.|
|Jul-09-14|| ||Conrad93: < TheAlchemist: <keypusher>
As far as I know it was Ljubojevic who was the better prepared before this game, but missed 18...Qc5! (18.Ke2 is a mistake, better was 18.O-O-O). Bronstein was in serious time trouble, that's why Ljubojevic kept playing on even in a desperate position.|
So, obviously, the game with Gheorghiu was played after this one.>
Keres mentions this line.
It's not as strong as you think. White has 19. Ne4, and if 19...Qb4+ 20. Kf1 and white is perfectly fine.
|Feb-03-15|| ||Kinghunt: 22. Rxc5! has eluded finding by engines for some time. However, Stockfish 6 now finds the move at d=33 (~2 minutes on my laptop).|
|Feb-03-15|| ||perfidious: Glad this fantastic conception was conjured up by a human long before good old silicon got there.|
|Feb-04-15|| ||morfishine: Its impossible to assign a single adjective describing this unbelievable game. Alekhine may have conjured up "gigantic conceptions"; but this game by Bronstein is conceptually humongous in the extreme. In a sense, its simple to understand whats going on: White exchanges off both his Rooks for Black's DSB. For the material spent, White gets a positional stranglehold on the dark squares. White continues to sacrifice, pressing for mate; in turn, Black tosses his Queen trying to relieve the pressure; but then White's King marches outrageously right up the middle of the board, gobbling up one of the unprotected Knights. |
In the end, Black is forced to trade down to avoid mate and ends up with a losing Q vs R ending
Bronstein won many games that could be labeled "Immortal"
This is one of them
|Apr-27-15|| ||DrGridlock: <<TheAlchemist: <keypusher> As far as I know it was Ljubojevic who was the better prepared before this game, but missed 18...Qc5! (18.Ke2 is a mistake, better was 18.O-O-O). Bronstein was in serious time trouble, that's why Ljubojevic kept playing on even in a desperate position.
So, obviously, the game with Gheorghiu was played after this one.>|
Keres mentions this line.
It's not as strong as you think. White has 19. Ne4, and if 19...Qb4+ 20. Kf1 and white is perfectly fine.>
Game is presented in "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" with comments from Keres, Timman and Bronstein. Unanimous opinion is that 19 ... Qc5 is better for black. Keres' conclusion that "Qc5 would have given him excellent chances to repulse the attack," seems to understate black's chances, with Timman's "clear advantage for Black in both cases (20 e6 and 20 Ne4)" more accurately states Black's edge in the game.
David Bronstein - Ljubomir Ljubojevic
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1. (-1.67): 20.e6 Qf2+ 21.Kd1 N8d7 22.exf7+ Kg7 23.Bh6+ Kh8 24.Bg5 h5 25.Bh4 Qd4+ 26.Qxd4+ Bxd4 27.Be7 Be5 28.Bxf8 Rxf8 29.Ne4 Kg7 30.Ke2 Bxh2 31.Rc1 Bf4 32.Rc7 h4 33.Be6 Nf6 34.Rxb7 Nxe4 35.fxe4 Bxd6
2. (-1.85): 20.Rxg1 Qxg1 21.e6 N8d7 22.exf7+ Kg7 23.Bh6+ Kh8 24.Qh4 Qc5 25.Be3 Qe5 26.Qd4 Qf6 27.Ne4 Qg7 28.Qxg7+ Kxg7 29.Bd4+ Kh6 30.Be3+ Kh5 31.Be6 g5 32.Bxg5 Kg6 33.Be7 Kg7 34.Bxf8+
3. (-2.76): 20.Ne4 Qb5+ 21.Kd2 Nc4+ 22.Kc2 Be3 23.Nf6+ Kh8 24.Qxc4 Qxc4+ 25.Bxc4 Bxg5 26.Nd5 Rc8 27.Nc7 Bf4 28.Kb3 Nc6 29.Bxf7 Bxe5 30.Nxa8 Rxa8 31.d7 Rd8 32.Be8 Bxh2 33.Rd1 Kg7 34.Kc4 Ne5+ 35.Kb5 Nxf3
In the suggested line, Qb4 is not check, so one suspects Qb5+ is the proffered move. In that line, after Kf1 white may be "perfectly fine" but his king is still in check. After a legal continuation (such as Kd2), black's edge is significant.
|Aug-28-15|| ||tjipa: Whatever the engines say, as a human game, it is just pure magic. MAGIC!|
|Aug-29-15|| ||hcgflynn: how about 26. - qd3+? it looks good.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||offramp: It's very odd that the loser spent less than an hour over his 40 moves. I suppose he was thinking in his opponent's time.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||al wazir: Wouldn't 18. Bf6 have been a simpler way to win? If 18...Nd7, then 19. Qh6 Nxf6 20. exf6 Re8+/Qe5+ 21. Ne4.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||beatgiant: <al wazir>
On 18. Bf6, Black probably replies <18...Qc5> so 19. Qh6 Qe3+ holds.
|Feb-29-16|| ||The Kings Domain: Shades of "The Immortal". Brilliant game by Bronstein.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||HeMateMe: Geez...mind-blowing.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||kevin86: Reminds me a little of the immortal game.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||psmith: <Conrad93> and <OBIT> See D Bryson vs T Luther, 2002|
|Feb-29-16|| ||nazgulord: Awesome game! But can someone please explain the pun?|
|Feb-29-16|| ||HeMateMe: <can someone please explain the pun?>|
It's a reference to Bronstein's auto bio "The Sorcerer's Apprentice," a reference to his wizardry with tactics.
I submitted the same pun some time ago, but used a game between Bronstein and Shirov, both Balts who amazed at the chessboard..
|Feb-29-16|| ||al wazir: <beatgiant: On 18. Bf6, Black probably replies <18...Qc5> so 19. Qh6 Qe3+ holds.> That works. Thanks. 18...Qc5 looks pretty good after the game move 18. d6 too.|
|Feb-29-16|| ||peterh99: I don't see that this is a great game but maybe that's my fault. Llubojevic appeared to be begging to be mated. Maybe he was trying to show off. Why couldn't white have won by 18. Bf6, N1d7; Qh6, NxF6; exf6, Qe5+; Ne4?|
|Feb-29-16|| ||morfishine: <peterh99> 18.Bf6 fails to <18...Qc5> since after 19.Qh6 Qe3+ and the Queens come off (per: beatgiant)|
|Feb-29-16|| ||Bubo bubo: <<The Kings Domain>: Shades of "The Immortal".> Indeed, in particular on Black's 17th move!|
|Mar-01-16|| ||beatgiant: <al wazir>
<18...Qc5 looks pretty good after the game move 18. d6 too.>
On 18...Qc5, White can reply <19. Ne4> and I think Black has to give back a piece by 19...Qe3+ 20. Qxe3 Bxe3 21. Bxe3. Material is then almost equal but White has lots of play.
|Mar-01-16|| ||The Kings Domain: Bubo bubo: True. One wonders if Bronstein had Anderssen's masterpiece in mind as the game was unfolding.|
|Mar-15-16|| ||byakuugan: 7...e6? is absolutely horrible; the correct move is 7...g6!|
|Jul-25-16|| ||andrea volponi: 20...C6d7!-Tc1!! |
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