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| Apr-14-12 | | bischopper: a piece on pin is a piece less while arrive his defences or no...? Who knows? |
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| Apr-14-12 | | ajax333221: For a second I thought 21...Bxd3 was the best, but after analyzing it with a chess engine I was wrong (Bh6 was indeed the correct move) |
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| Apr-14-12 | | Patriot: Material is even.
Black could play 24...Rxg2 but I'm not sure he has much after 25.Kd1. 24...Rxd2 looks much more interesting. 25.Rxd2 Rd8 26.Rd1 c4 and white is completely immobilized. Black has a free hand to cause trouble with his king and may trade the pieces off when the black king is in a much stronger position (like on g3). I'm sure this is winning. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | Octal: I found this puzzle very difficult because I thought it was White to move. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | carelessfills: While White would be in zugswang after exhausting his pawn moves after 24...Rxd2 25 Rxd2 Rd1 26 Rd1 c5, Black can actually accelerate White's demise with his own Pawn storm, since White will not be able to prevent c6 after a5 and b4. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | SuperPatzer77: <scormus: very difficult, really? 24 ... ♖xd2 25 ♖xd2 ♖d8 26 ♖d1 and if ♗ can prevent ♔c2, then ♗ can do anything he wants. 26 ... c4 is the real key move.> <scormus> I strongly agree with your commentary - 26...c4 is the key move. White is in total zugzwang. SuperPatzer77 |
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| Apr-14-12 | | bwarnock: <estrick: <FSR> Someone posted some of Bronstein's notes about this game from his book "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" earlier in this thread. He said 21. Re1 is answered by Qg3 and White's back rank weakness will do him in> This doesn't seem correct - after 21. ♖e1 ♕g3 can't White just play 22. ♖xe2 ? (22... ♖xe2 23. ♗xe2 ♕xg2 24. ♕f3 ! wins for White). Better seems 21... ♕f2(!) when we get a version of what happens in the game after 22. ♖xe2 ♖xe2 23. ♗xe2 ♕xe2 24. ♖d1 ♖d8 
click for larger viewBlack threatens (the unstoppable) ♖xd2! followed by ♕e1+ x d2. White here can try 25. ♕g3 but 25.. h6! wins. <> |
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| Apr-14-12 | | rilkefan: <scormus>:<rilkefan> would like to let the victim run in false hope for a while> The victim has to see that he's going into a two-wing pawn endgame with a shattered queenside and indefensible entry points on both sides against an opponent able to establish a dominant king position. |
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| Apr-15-12 | | dragon player: Black has some pressure on the d2-knight. This is a good way of increasing the pressure: 24...Rxd2
25.Rxd2 Rd8
26.Rd1 c4!
Now white will run out of moves in the long run. Black just activates his king and can play a pawn ending whenever he likes. Time to check.
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White didn't want to wait till he would run out of moves and resigned. 5/6 |
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Apr-15-12
 | | scormus: <SuperPatzer77> Thanks! I always notice you make good comments so that one is very satisfying :) |
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Apr-17-12
 | | LoveThatJoker: Saturday, April 14th, 2012
Excellent! A Bronstein puzzle!
<24...Rxd2+ 25. Rxd2> (25. Rh5? Rd6  )
<25...Rd8 26. Rd1 c4!> wins as White will sooner or later have to allow himself to be a piece down. A sample continuation is <27. g4 Kf8 28. h4 Bf4 29. a4 b6 30. g5 a6> and Black wins. Perhaps White's best is to allow Black to win the piece straight-away via 26. Kb2, although here Black is also clearly winning. LTJ |
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| Apr-24-12 | | SuperPatzer77: < LoveThatJoker: Saturday, April 14th, 2012 Excellent! A Bronstein puzzle!
<24...Rxd2+ 25. Rxd2> (25. Rh5? Rd6 )
<25...Rd8 26. Rd1 c4!> wins as White will sooner or later have to allow himself to be a piece down. A sample continuation is <27. g4 Kf8 28. h4 Bf4 29. a4 b6 30. g5 a6> and Black wins. Perhaps White's best is to allow Black to win the piece straight-away via 26. Kb2, although here Black is also clearly winning. > <LTJ> Your analysis is excellent - 26...c4! (putting White into zugzwang situations), 27. g4 Kf8! (your excellent idea is to prevent the White Rook from pinning the Black Bishop), 28. h4 Bf4 (avoiding the g and h pawns attack), 29. a4 b6, 30. g5 a6 - White is in total zugzwang Well done, LTJ!!
SuperPatzer77 |
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Apr-24-12
| | LoveThatJoker: <SuperPatzer77> Thanks, man! :) I'm looking forward to some excellent puzzles this week and to seeing more of your awesome and great-to-read posts! Your friend in Chess,
LTJ |
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| Dec-31-12 | | Garech: Superb!
-Garech |
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| Jan-01-13 | | The17thPawn: I wonder what Bronstein would be rated at his peak in today's rating inflated setting? |
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| Nov-05-15 | | Mating Net: The final position is the caption in the chess dictionary under the word helpless. |
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Jan-04-17
 | | PawnSac: < The17thPawn: I wonder what Bronstein would be rated at his peak in today's rating inflated setting? > in the 1951 WCC match he was botvinnik's equal. Many say that had it not been for the political pressure and his dad's imprisonment, he would have won it. So he was at least world #2. Today 8 of the top 10 are or have been rated over 2800, so what does that suggest? |
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| Feb-05-18 | | Toribio3: Pin is mightier than a sword! |
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| Nov-13-20 | | Mehzinho: It is absolutely great to see how Bronstein utilizes the pin on d2. The move c4 is very important to create the zugzwang situation, whilst otherwise White would escape by pushing both doubled pawns and then move the king up. (although black is still clearly better) I made a full video analyses of this game here:
https://youtu.be/I7h3hbiv-qo |
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Jul-29-25
 | | FSR: So Stockfish thinks 26...c4 was a mistake? Really? |
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Jul-29-25
 | | keypusher: <FSR: So Stockfish thinks 26...c4 was a mistake? Really?> Not sure what the deal is with the question mark, but it evaluates _c4 at -4.8 and _Kg7 at -1.6, so draw your own conclusions. |
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| Jul-29-25 | | stone free or die: (<kp> - My contract forces me to ask, what depth?) |
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Jul-29-25
| | FSR: <keypusher> I was just reacting to the nonsensical question mark. Stockfish 9 on this site comes up with some weird results and punctuation. (For example, 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4? (its question mark, at very low depth) e6 and now it claims -0.2 something, as I recall.) Stockfish 17.1 on my computer instantly gives 26...c4! as in excess of -5. |
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Jul-29-25
| | keypusher: <stone free or die: (<kp> - My contract forces me to ask, what depth?)> Well, 20-something, which is shallow. But as FSR notes, at pretty much any depth _c4 is the move. No idea why the site assigns it a question mark. |
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Jul-29-25
| | FSR: <26. Rhd1?
26.Rd1 f5 27.c4 Kf7 28.c3 Rg8 29.Kc2 Bxd2 30.Rxd2 Ke6 ⩱ -0.62 (27 ply)> This is more bizarre analysis. First of all, 26.Rhd1 and 26.Rd1 are the same thing, since 26.Rdd1 is illegal. Second, 26.Rd1 (or 26.Rhd1 if you must add the superfluous character) doesn't deserve a question mark, but a "box" (only move) designation, since anything else would leave White a piece down. Third, Stockfish's line, going for a rook ending where Black has a significant, but not decisive, advantage is ridiculous. Of course 26...c4!, as Bronstein played (there are other winning moves too) is correct, and crushing. |
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