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Apr-14-12
 | | anthro: This must be easy, because I got it, which just about never happens on a Friday. |
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Apr-14-12
 | | FSR: <rilkefan: ... 26...Kg7 is actually as easily won.> Or 26...b5 27.c4 b4! |
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Apr-14-12
 | | scormus: <FSR or 26 ... b5, etc> Yes! that's one cool way to prove the point. <rilkefan> would like to let the victim run in false hope for a while |
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Apr-14-12
 | | chrisowen: See Kaplan in ascent it 10.dxe6 happen thou select it another in 10.ng3 on game continuatea king black one step ahead having bishoph6 all it rash in soluble highball kingc1 o braving ripe cull 24...rxd2 25.rxd2. <rookd8> andean condor 26.rh1 c4! green pasture ar it say fetch rookd2 axed for cicla pet c4 momentary zugzwang topical. Encouraging g4 to the plump h6 priest fine if covet e3 f4 just i gerent easy enough in dry it all. Hands we incorporate in straight it rookd2 butter the nut in hatch mesa it look in blacks case wild is h6andg8 as ointment for the stew engine zing pawnc4 old in often gallery it horde n bored pawns at side are hunker in down untill da crow man poled2 or i skit lock in going time count ur key it I stain hip inbudge it her berth in kingg7 or old strategy you lay pawns down just the tonic in chevron. A mat he brew sit la wolf tin chi pin the d2 one bright light David c4 o le pain the zugzwang crops Julio now or minded harbour call. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | James D Flynn: 24…….Rxd2 25.Rxd2 Rd8 26.Rd1 now candidates are c4 to avoid the K defending d2 from c2 and f5 to stop the White K from advancing through the center after he plays c4 and to counter White’s g4 by fxg4 and the Black king can advance to g5 after exchanging pieces. and win the K and P ending. Either plan appears t win: 26….c4 27.g4 hoping for f5 then 28.gxf5 gxf5 20.Rg1+ Kf7 21.Rg2 Kf6 22.Rd1 and Black should still win after exchanging pieces but he can simply play 27.f6 and White should resign because he only has pawn moves and eventually he will run out. 26…f5 also wins 27.c4 Kf7 28.c3 Kf6 29.Kc2 Rxd2+ 30.Rxd2 Bxd2 31.Kxd2 Ke4 32.Ke3 g5 and White runs out of pawn moves and his K will be forced to retreat allowing the Black K to penetrate o the K side. Now for the game. |
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Apr-14-12
| | anthro: oh, it's Saturday. That makes it even more surprising that I got it... |
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| Apr-14-12 | | bischopper: a piece on pin is a piece less while arrive his defences or no...? Who knows? |
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| Apr-14-12 | | ajax333221: For a second I thought 21...Bxd3 was the best, but after analyzing it with a chess engine I was wrong (Bh6 was indeed the correct move) |
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| Apr-14-12 | | Patriot: Material is even.
Black could play 24...Rxg2 but I'm not sure he has much after 25.Kd1. 24...Rxd2 looks much more interesting. 25.Rxd2 Rd8 26.Rd1 c4 and white is completely immobilized. Black has a free hand to cause trouble with his king and may trade the pieces off when the black king is in a much stronger position (like on g3). I'm sure this is winning. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | Octal: I found this puzzle very difficult because I thought it was White to move. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | carelessfills: While White would be in zugswang after exhausting his pawn moves after 24...Rxd2 25 Rxd2 Rd1 26 Rd1 c5, Black can actually accelerate White's demise with his own Pawn storm, since White will not be able to prevent c6 after a5 and b4. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | SuperPatzer77: <scormus: very difficult, really? 24 ... ♖xd2 25 ♖xd2 ♖d8 26 ♖d1 and if ♗ can prevent ♔c2, then ♗ can do anything he wants. 26 ... c4 is the real key move.> <scormus> I strongly agree with your commentary - 26...c4 is the key move. White is in total zugzwang. SuperPatzer77 |
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| Apr-14-12 | | bwarnock: <estrick: <FSR> Someone posted some of Bronstein's notes about this game from his book "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" earlier in this thread. He said 21. Re1 is answered by Qg3 and White's back rank weakness will do him in> This doesn't seem correct - after 21. ♖e1 ♕g3 can't White just play 22. ♖xe2 ? (22... ♖xe2 23. ♗xe2 ♕xg2 24. ♕f3 ! wins for White). Better seems 21... ♕f2(!) when we get a version of what happens in the game after 22. ♖xe2 ♖xe2 23. ♗xe2 ♕xe2 24. ♖d1 ♖d8 
click for larger viewBlack threatens (the unstoppable) ♖xd2! followed by ♕e1+ x d2. White here can try 25. ♕g3 but 25.. h6! wins. <> |
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| Apr-14-12 | | rilkefan: <scormus>:<rilkefan> would like to let the victim run in false hope for a while> The victim has to see that he's going into a two-wing pawn endgame with a shattered queenside and indefensible entry points on both sides against an opponent able to establish a dominant king position. |
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| Apr-15-12 | | dragon player: Black has some pressure on the d2-knight. This is a good way of increasing the pressure: 24...Rxd2
25.Rxd2 Rd8
26.Rd1 c4!
Now white will run out of moves in the long run. Black just activates his king and can play a pawn ending whenever he likes. Time to check.
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White didn't want to wait till he would run out of moves and resigned. 5/6 |
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Apr-15-12
| | scormus: <SuperPatzer77> Thanks! I always notice you make good comments so that one is very satisfying :) |
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| Apr-17-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Saturday, April 14th, 2012
Excellent! A Bronstein puzzle!
<24...Rxd2+ 25. Rxd2> (25. Rh5? Rd6  )
<25...Rd8 26. Rd1 c4!> wins as White will sooner or later have to allow himself to be a piece down. A sample continuation is <27. g4 Kf8 28. h4 Bf4 29. a4 b6 30. g5 a6> and Black wins. Perhaps White's best is to allow Black to win the piece straight-away via 26. Kb2, although here Black is also clearly winning. LTJ |
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| Apr-24-12 | | SuperPatzer77: < LoveThatJoker: Saturday, April 14th, 2012 Excellent! A Bronstein puzzle!
<24...Rxd2+ 25. Rxd2> (25. Rh5? Rd6 )
<25...Rd8 26. Rd1 c4!> wins as White will sooner or later have to allow himself to be a piece down. A sample continuation is <27. g4 Kf8 28. h4 Bf4 29. a4 b6 30. g5 a6> and Black wins. Perhaps White's best is to allow Black to win the piece straight-away via 26. Kb2, although here Black is also clearly winning. > <LTJ> Your analysis is excellent - 26...c4! (putting White into zugzwang situations), 27. g4 Kf8! (your excellent idea is to prevent the White Rook from pinning the Black Bishop), 28. h4 Bf4 (avoiding the g and h pawns attack), 29. a4 b6, 30. g5 a6 - White is in total zugzwang Well done, LTJ!!
SuperPatzer77 |
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| Apr-24-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <SuperPatzer77> Thanks, man! :) I'm looking forward to some excellent puzzles this week and to seeing more of your awesome and great-to-read posts! Your friend in Chess,
LTJ |
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| Dec-31-12 | | Garech: Superb!
-Garech |
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| Jan-01-13 | | The17thPawn: I wonder what Bronstein would be rated at his peak in today's rating inflated setting? |
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| Nov-05-15 | | Mating Net: The final position is the caption in the chess dictionary under the word helpless. |
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Jan-04-17
 | | PawnSac: < The17thPawn: I wonder what Bronstein would be rated at his peak in today's rating inflated setting? > in the 1951 WCC match he was botvinnik's equal. Many say that had it not been for the political pressure and his dad's imprisonment, he would have won it. So he was at least world #2. Today 8 of the top 10 are or have been rated over 2800, so what does that suggest? |
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| Feb-05-18 | | Toribio3: Pin is mightier than a sword! |
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| Nov-13-20 | | Mehzinho: It is absolutely great to see how Bronstein utilizes the pin on d2. The move c4 is very important to create the zugzwang situation, whilst otherwise White would escape by pushing both doubled pawns and then move the king up. (although black is still clearly better) I made a full video analyses of this game here:
https://youtu.be/I7h3hbiv-qo |
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