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|Jan-23-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <David2009> Thanks for looking into this. I'm sure Kneebone's comment about 2...Nf6 is correct; it's doubtful that White would have played 3.d4 after that move. We were so locked in on the puzzle position that nobody noticed that. (There are some examples of that move order in the database, but I wouldn't be surprised if many of them are also typos.)|
Before we start requesting corrections, there's still one little ambiguity. The match result I gave above shows White's name as "W. A. Brown", while the game score in your kibitz refers to "W S Brown". Did that score come from Kneebone? I checked a few other matches, and the player in question always shows up as "W. A. Brown". By the way, at the time of this game he had a BCF grade of 185, which translates to about 2080 Elo.
While looking through the matches, I found one were Kneebone drew with James Macrae Aitken. This is no small feat, and I wish the game was available.
|Jan-23-12|| ||JoergWalter: <Phony Benoni>
I think it was <FSR> who noticed first that 2.Nf6 must be wrong as 4.Nxe4 wins a pawn for free.
|Jan-23-12|| ||FSR: <Phony Benoni> Very impressive research! You should be a librarian or something!|
<Jan-28-11 FSR: 4...Nxe4 wins a free pawn. No way was this the actual move order.>
|Jan-23-12|| ||Domdaniel: Why do I feel a twinge of empathy for the unfortunate Mr Kneebone, who has had to endure a slew of bizarre queries about a game he lost in another century? Not to mention jokes about his name.|
Still - he 'discovered' Mickey Adams, and we didn't.
|Jan-23-12|| ||FSR: <Domdaniel> Another millennium even. On the subject of joke-inducing names, you may wish to consult Peter G Large, Richard Chess, and R Hermansen vs Bayer, 1994.|
|Jan-23-12|| ||Domdaniel: <FSR> -- <you may wish to consult ...>
M Orr vs S Knott, 1986|
|Jan-23-12|| ||Phony Benoni: I have submitted a correction slip with the correct information as established by <David2009>'s contact with Robin Kneebone. Thanks also to <Life Master AJ> and <FSR> for pointing out errors.|
|Jan-23-12|| ||Cibator: <Domdaniel>: I found that Orr-Knott game some time ago, and submitted a pun for it .... but either the software had a fault, or the webmasters didn't like my suggestion - believe it Orr Knott!!|
Mr Orr himself had earlier been the subject of some excruciating puns ...
|Jan-23-12|| ||technical draw: CSI Miami, program 261:
Chessgames.com members solve a mystery:
"The knee bone found in the backyard was a clue; but a misleading clue. After research was done it was found that the knee bone was made of plastic, and the real clue was in the name!"
Good work, CG.com members, (now Jr. detectives).
|Jan-23-12|| ||TheFocus: <TD> Now I wish they would solve the mystery of why I am doing so bad at <Chessbookie>.|
This is my worst leg ever.
|Jan-23-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <TheFocus> That's a mystery?|
|Jan-23-12|| ||Domdaniel: <Cibator> I played Mark Orr (an IM and a gentleman, who merely gave me a querulous look when I committed hara-kiri in the opening) a couple of years back, and found myself wondering if he'd ever had white against Simon Knott. So I found the game Orr-Knott and uploaded it to the CG database.|
The Great Undecidable Game. Orr Knott.
|Jan-23-12|| ||TheFocus: <Phony Benoni> <TheFocus> <That's a mystery?>|
ROFL! I spit up coffee and peed my pants reading that!
|Jan-24-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: << Jan-23-12 Phony Benoni: <LMAJ> <I have submitted a correction slip for Browne vs R Kneebone, 1985, 1985. It turns out that White was a local Glouchestershire player named <W A Brown> with a rating equivalent to about 2080 USCF. That means this is probably one of his best games, and I'm glad we could attribute it to the correct person.>|
Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this one. <<<>>> >>
I love it when I am right.
(I was actually wrong ... once or twice. ;p)
|Jan-24-12|| ||Cibator: <Domdaniel>: I've played him too!! Several years before he became an IM, but even then he was a bit too good for me. And, as you say, a gentleman. We got to an endgame with a similar balance of material to the famous Portisch vs Fischer, 1966. Seem to recall I blundered eventually in time trouble. Must dig it out some time and have another look.|
|Jan-24-12|| ||technical draw: <The Great Undecidable Game. Orr Knott.>|
Nice try, <Dom>.
|Jan-25-12|| ||toebone: As the unfortunate victim of this game, after all the daft comments I think I deserve to add my tuppenceworth. My handle is the nickname that Bill Hartston gave me just after he had extracted my sub for the university chess club; I called him Mr Hartstone in return, an error often repeated by the national press and which always annoyed him.|
Cambridge Uni top players called me the weakest good player in the world: probably nobody has wrecked more good positions (through nerves, mostly) than I used to manage.
Highlights of my chess career:
captained a Cambridge Uni side in a National Club match (I had a car and it was the only way Keene/Hartston/Williams et al could persuade me to take them to some remote corner of East Anglia);
won Berkshire championship twice in the 1970s; had a couple of years of averaging over 200 (BCF) in London Opens, winning grading prizes; suffered another publicised humilation against D. Miller in a Welsh Open, which appeared in CHESS magazine; leaping into the lead after 3 rounds of the West of England Champs, and then "flatlining"; helping my son to become a junior England international; organising junior chess in Cornwall; winning Cornwall championship in 2011 soon after my 60th birthday (41 years after first trying for it), and after being second 8 times.
Why did I not become a stronger player, someone asks? As I wrote before: partly nerves when ahead (no longer a problem); inaccurate calculation (an increasing problem, with age); and a focus on career - I was a teacher then headteacher and my termtime grade was about 20 BCF points less than vacation grade.
Enough of me.
I'll give my views on the game v Browne, and of my "discovery" of Michael Adams later (or "drekly" as we say in Cornwall).
Robin Kneebone, Truro
|Jan-25-12|| ||toebone: And to PhonyBenoni: I think I do have my drawn game against JM Aitken somewhere. He was about 110 years old at the time.|
|Jan-25-12|| ||toebone: Looking at the link to the team match result
I can see that this was one of my first games back playing after a gap of 5 years and explains why I was ungraded at the time. I'd stopped playing because of workload and bouts of severe nerves during games in 1979.
The horrendous bashing my king took would have dented my confidence greatly in normal circumstances but I probably put it down to rustiness and my opponent's inspiration (and his ability to combine several standard Velimrovic-attack themes all in one game). My attempts to excuse myself on the grounds that I'd played the US-GM Walter Brown, hiding in the Glos team, came to nothing.
I had the same line a year or two later and played 10 ... Nxd4 and 11 .... b5, winning the game.
In the Browne game I think 13 .... e5 is right after the (unusual?) 13 Bd3
I've no further comments on the game as the kibitzing here has revealed so much already.
|Jan-25-12|| ||technical draw: Hi, <toebone>. You have a fine sense of humor so I hope you don't mind all the jokes about your name, uh, Mr. Kneebone (?). In any event keep writing and playing chess and also know that I'm your elder (63 in Feb.) and also had the "nerves" while playing in the 70's....|
|Jan-25-12|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Its nice to know that both players exist, that this game was not a forgery. |
Of course I was correct - Walter Browne played no chess in the UK in 1985 ... or at least, I could find no evidence of this.
Thank you Mr. Kneebone for checking in, maybe in 100 years (or so); the game itself will be corrected.
|Jan-25-12|| ||galdur: Excellent. One up for the much aligned LMAJ. Good research by others as well.|
|Jan-26-12|| ||toebone: To <technical draw>
I've been a teacher in English state schools - I've heard all the jokes about my name. There are several Kneebone families in Cornwall, so the surname causes little surprise here.
I wish I knew how to include another person's kibitzing handle so that it becomes linkable.|
|Jan-26-12|| ||Phony Benoni: User: toebone The kibitzer's name at the beginning of the message links to their personal page, so you can just copy that link or go to the page and copy the address there. I think most just use the <toebone> form, which I see you've already caught on to. It's not linkable, but displays distinctly and is also searchable on the Search Kibitzing page.|
|Jan-26-12|| ||toebone: And this is how Michael Adams met me: yes, it really was that way around.|
Back in 1979 I played in an away league match for St Ives against Falmouth. At the time my BCF grade was about 185, the highest in Cornish league chess (ex-international Peter H Clarke lived in the county but rarely played in league matches). I helped, through coaching and controlling, Cornish juniors.
After winning my individual match game I was approached by a man who asked me if I'd play his son - as sometimes happened when I visited clubs, so I thought little of it.
An hour or so later it was time to go; whether it was Michael's bedtime or my car passengers were all waiting I'm not sure. To my embarrassment, the position was very level after perhaps 20 utterly sensible moves on each side.
As I drove out of Falmouth, I said to my passengers who were teasing me about drawing with an infant, "I'm either going senile, or I've just played a genius". You can imagine what they initially said, but I told them the moves and a hush came over the car with two other BCF 170+ players sharing my view that indeed a possible chess genius was living in Falmouth. Michael (I can't get used to "Mickey") had never before this game with me played anyone graded over about 140. As we watched him develop his chess we always remarked what an extraordinary talent he had for knowing the best squares for his pieces and his natural ability to understand pawn structures: it all seemed so desperately and infuriatingly easy.
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