|Feb-15-04|| ||ughaibu: Did someone have a mate in one collection? |
|Feb-16-04|| ||nasmichael: Apart from the violent blunder at the end, does Black have a fighting chance? It is already ice-skating uphill for Black at move 32. |
|Feb-16-04|| ||drukenknight: Again Rubinstein: "Wonderful Attacker; Not the World's Best Defensive Genius."|
Its almost as if he lost fighting interest in the game once he realizes he's lost the main thread. There are a lot of VERY strong players out there, but once you show you can hang w/ them for 15, 18, 20 moves suddenly they get sort of paranoid/defensive and make anti positional moves.
I would say "anti positional" rather than suggest that the moves are "defensive" in nature. Meaning that there are guys like Euwe or Steinitz who would always put pieces on good squares, whether he is attacking or defending...Just sound positional play.
But Rubinstein's not even making basic moves like getting the R onto the open G file. Or retaking w/ the B. Even by move 26 or 28 he may be too far gone.
He messes up the N moves too, but here I go again....
|Feb-17-04|| ||Resignation Trap: This was played early in Rubinstein's career and he had not yet developed the skills which would later make him one of the best in the world. At the time of this game, Chigorin was still very strong, and he should be given credit for his methodical play on the Kingside. |
|Feb-17-04|| ||drukenknight: you know I dont know that chigorin was ever really strong, tactically. did you see that mate he missed in the '97 match? I would expect a professional player sitting all day over a board to find something like that. I'm sure Kasparov, Fischer, Alekhine, Tal, Lasker all would have found it. |
Hell there are guys playing on the internet who can see that one....
so no, it's hard to believe he was every really "strong" in the sense that today we know all these masters can rip off 20 moves deep in some crazy opening w/ all kind of traps and still keep the deep combos all juggled in your head.
Judging from some these games it's hard to imagine that chigorin could really see that deeply.
But go ahead and prove me wrong.
Make my day.
|Feb-20-04|| ||ughaibu: PinkPanther: Does this belong in one of your collections? |
|Apr-03-05|| ||Abaduba: <drunken knight>
Please stop making gross generalizations about players based on just a few games. Chigorin was one of the greatest attacking players of the 19th century; a few blown games do not mean that his tactics weren't excellent. And Rubinstein, when he grew up and developed his mature style, was an excellent defender. Simple logic points out that you can't play an endgame-central positional style like rubinstein's without good defensive technique; you can't become one of the greatest players in history without it, either.
|Apr-04-05|| ||drukenknight: please, I think you have read too many chigorin puff pieces. |
|Apr-04-05|| ||Milo: 18...Be7 looks a little more positional than the text. Druk is right, black's defense doesn't seem too well organised (though white's attack has obvious teeth.)|
24.c4 is pretty. 24...dxc3 would blast open the a7-g1 diagonal but get black absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.
|Dec-18-06|| ||Bridgeburner: Young Rubinstein missed the opportunity to counter attack as he was preoccupied with his illustrious opponent's powerful looking buildup with 22.h4. |
Black should have simply pushed on with 22...c4 instead of running around in circles behind his own lines like a headless chicken. After this move where's White's attack?
If 23.dxc4 bxc4 24.Qxc4+ Kh8, Black has Queen side counterplay for the pawn (25.g5 Rb5)
|Dec-19-06|| ||Bridgeburner: On second thoughts, <23.dxc4 Na5! 24.cxb5 axb5> is safer than the line I posted yesterday. Recapturing on b5 is much safer than letting the Queen onto the long diagonal. For example, if now 25.g5 then Black can respond with 25...Qc6 tieing White's Queen to the protection of e4. If 26.Rg1, then 26...Rc8 27.g6 h6 closing the King side and threatening the c2 pawn. 28.Rg2 and White is defending.|
|Dec-19-06|| ||Archives: <Bridgeburner> Haha, nice profile you have there!|
|Aug-08-10|| ||jessicafischerqueen: From <Karpova>:
"1-0 Great attacking play from Chigorin who had a fantastic tournament. Akiba lost his first encounter with the former Worldchampionship contender."
|Jan-21-13|| ||Diglot: 1.e4 e6 2.Qe2 Nc6 3.f4 Nd4 <3...Nge7, 3...Nf6, and 3...d5 had all been tried before (and all against Chigorin too!), with only 3...d5 winning for Black> 4.Qd3 c5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.Qe2 Be7 7.Nc3 d5 <!> 8.d3 Nf6 9.g3 <Also possible is 9.e5 Ng4> 9...a6 <Not really necessary. Rubinstein could have just gone with 9...b5 as 10.Nxb5 is met with 10...Qa5+> 10.Bg2 0–0 11.0–0 Bd7 12.Ne5 d4 13.Nxd7 Nxd7 14.Nd1 e5 15.Kh1 <Is this really necessary? Maybe 15.Nf2 or 15.a3 would have been more productive> 15...Qc7 16.Bh3 Rfd8 17.b3 <Interesting is 17.fxe5 Ndxe5 18.Nf2 Bd6> 17...Bd6 18.f5 f6 19.Bg4 b5 20.Bh5 Rdb8 21.g4 Be7 <21...a5 is an interesting alternative> 22.h4 Rc8 <Not bad but maybe 22...a5, 22...c4, or 22...Nb6 would have been more successful> 23.g5 <!> 23...Nd8 <Too passive. Rubinstein needs to go for 23...a5 or 23...c4> 24.c4 Nf8 <This looks like a key moment in the game. Rubinstein has some sort of plan for the Knight on the kingside but it never seems to really come to fruition. Better would have been 24...Nc6 or 24...bxc4> 25.Rg1 Nb7 <Probably not as good as 25...Nd7 or 25...fxg5> 26.Nf2 <26.Qg2, 26.Nf2, and 26.gxf6 all look like interesting alternatives> 26...Nd6 <26...Nd7 and 26...fxg5 are preferable> 27.Ng4 <27.gxf6 followed by 28.Ng4 is probably better> 27...Kh8 <The wrong time to move the King. 27...Nd7 or 27...fxg5 are better, though White still has good advantage> 28.gxf6 gxf6 <28...Bxf6 and 28...Nxf5 are better but White still enjoys a decisive advantage> 29.Nh6 Ng6 30.fxg6 Bf8 <30...Rg8 only delays the inevitable longer> 31.Nf7+ Nxf7 32.gxf7 Qd7 <The best Black can do is 32...Bh6 which leads to a forced mate in seven> 33.Rg8# 1–0|