Oct-25-04
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| Knight13: These two played really hard but it ended in a long draw. Good game! |
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| Nov-06-06 |
| Kenkaku: I believe this is what is sometimes referred to as "war over the board"... |
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| Mar-05-08 |
| RookFile: These two guys were tremendous fighters. |
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| Mar-05-08 |
| 0817: I'm missing something here... what's wrong with 69.Qxf4? |
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Mar-05-08
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| Calli: <0817> good point. Possibly the moves are out of order and it should be 68...d5 69.Qf2 f4 70.Qf3 etc. I wonder if User: CambridgeSprings1904 is around ? |
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Mar-05-08
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| suenteus po 147: According to the website that User: CambridgeSprings1904 created the actual order of moves in the game was <68...f4 69.Qf2 d5 70.Qf3>, and this after an adjournment following move 69. |
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Mar-06-08
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| Calli: 66...Qb8?? looks wrong. Why would Schlechter move there? Now White has an immediate win with 67.Qc6+ Ka5 68.Qa6+ Kb4 69.b6 Its pretty obvious. I don't see how Pillsbury could miss it or why Schlechter would play Qb8. The logical move is 66...Qe5 and now the score makes sense 67.Qf2+ Ka5 68.Qxh4 f4 69.Qf2 d5 70.Qf3 dxc4+ 71.Kxc4 Qxb5+ 72.Kd4 etc |
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Mar-06-08
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| suenteus po 147: <Calli> It seems that Schlechter did play 66...Qb8. See here: http://home.wi.rr.com/etzel/round8.... |
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Mar-06-08
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| Calli: Still think the score here and on the Cambridge Springs site is wrong. The source is probably Reinfeld's book on CS1904. IIRC, Steve got the scores mainly from Reinfeld. Will try to get a hold of American Chess Bulletin 1904 and look it up there. |
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Mar-06-08
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| Phony Benoni: Wherever any possible errors came from, it wasn't Reinfeld. The tournament book cuts off the score after 43...Qxc5+ stating ..."the game was drawn on the 146th move". |
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| Mar-06-08 |
| CambridgeSprings1904: I'm traveling but will check the original tournament bulletins when I get home. The game scores on my site came from one of the early publicly-available electronic sources. As such, there may still be undiscovered errors. I've never found the time to do a game-by-game verification, but I am always interested in making corrections when errors are found. |
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Mar-07-08
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| Calli: <Phony Benoni> Thanks! A rare book, wish I had a copy! <CambridgeSprings1904> The original bulletins should settle it. In the meantime, I can get a look at ACB 1904 tomorrow. |
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Mar-07-08
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| Phony Benoni: <Calli> I would have thought that a game like this would have been studied so thoroughly from end to end that all such errors would have been found by now. Just goes to show you. By the way, if you can check the ACB you might also look at a later sequence. Nick Pope's collection of Pillsbury's games gives <116...Qe7> and <117...Kg7>, all other moves being the same as we have here (I think!). |
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Mar-07-08
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| Calli: Okay, American Chess Bulletin Vol 1, page 12, The Eighth round game between Mr. Pillsbury and Herr Schlechter of Austria at Table No 5 and the 66th move for Black was....(drumroll) Q-Kt
In English Description Notation, this is incomplete. And since the queen can go to either b8 or g8, Qb8 would have to be written Q-QKt1. My guess is that the player wrote 66...Q-K4 on the scorecard and the '4' was misinterpreted as a t. The player was Pillsbury since Schlechter would have used algebraic. Possibly rushing to the adjournment at move 70 he scribbled somewhat illegibly. Thats my theory as I await <CambridgeSprings1904> to check the bulletins. I fear that the bulletins will also have Q-Kt because ACB probably copied bulletins. |
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Mar-07-08
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| Calli: <Phony> ACB has 116...Q-K2 and 117...K-Kt2 agreeing with J.Pope. |
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Mar-07-08
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| Phony Benoni: <Calli> Your theory sounds plausible. I checked a few online databases today, and they all repreduced the score we have here. If nothing else, we may have at least have grounds to correct Black's 116th and 117th, if not the 66th. |
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| Mar-10-08 |
| CambridgeSprings1904: <All> A quick check of the original tournament bulletins reveals the following moves: 66...Q-K4 <Qe5>, 116...Q-K2 <Qe7> and 117...K-Kt2 <Kg7>. So, three corrections are required. I'll fix my site as soon as I get a chance. I guess we should be thankful for the keyboard warriors who initially created the electronic game collections, but it is unfortunate that there are so many errors. |
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Mar-10-08
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| Calli: <CambridgeSprings1904> Excellent! 66...Qe5 it is. The reason is that 66...QB8 is bad that after 67.Qc6+ Ka5 68.Qa6+ Kb4 69.b6 
click for larger viewBlack is lost against the threat of QB5+ and Kc2 followed by mate. He can only play Qe8 but that loses to QB5+ exchanging Queens and the b-pawn marches in. On the other hand, Schlechter's 66...Qe5! makes a big difference: After
66...Qe5 67.Qc6+ Ka5 68.Qa6+ Kb4 69.b6 We see that Black has a perpetual check starting with Qc3+ 
click for larger view |
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| Jan-31-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Black must be fond of setting stalemate traps |
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| Mar-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: like 143...Qf8+ |
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