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Anatoly Karpov vs Veselin Topalov
"Discovery Channel" (game of the day Jun-29-2007)
Dos Hermanas (1994), Dos Hermanas ESP, rd 4, Apr-??
Benoni Defense: Benoni-Indian Defense. Kingside move order (A43)  ·  1-0
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Oct-08-15
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  hedgeh0g: A famous game and combination, but always fun to re-visit!
Oct-08-15  nalinw: I am thrilled that I got this - all of it - but probably would never have even thought of it over the board.

I actually thought of Laskers famous double Bishop sacrifice where he forks two Bishops at the end when I was visualizing RxR.

Oct-08-15  eblunt: Couldn't black have declined with 30 .... ♕e6/7 and just lost ♖ for ♘, but leaving the ♕s on the board and a less hopeless position ?
Oct-08-15  wooden nickel: Nice game and tactics played by 2 great players... I almost missed the last double attack after 34.Rxe8 not to mention the 32.Qxf7 line, Karpov must have considered it but knew his line was winning. <morfishine: This was a Friday puzzle (4/23/2004), a Sunday puzzle (11/3/2013) and now a Thursday puzzle. No doubt, in a couple of years, this will be a Saturday puzzle> As long as it doesn't become a Monday one!
<eblunt: Couldn't black have declined with 30 .... ♕e6/7 and just lost ♖ for ♘, but leaving the ♕s on the board and a less hopeless position ?> You're probably right, but Karpov would have loved that too!
Oct-08-15  PJs Studio: I saw all of these moves yet didn't see the fork on the two bishops! He's amazing. Karpov and I think nothing alike - he is a genius, I'm a civil servant.
Oct-08-15  Coriolis: My guess was: 30. Bxh6+ Kxh6 31. Qxf7 (with the threat of 32. Bd3 semi-pinning the Queen). Ha ha. Like a wild golf swing, didn't even come close to touching the ball; then staring into the deep distance over the fairway, wondering where the ball was floating..
Oct-08-15
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  thegoodanarchist: <FSR: Somehow I'd never seen this before. I got the solution. Beautiful!>

Same here, except for the part about getting the solution. Too much for me.

Oct-08-15  BOSTER: With two bishops on c8 and f8 in POTD you can not see that they are innocent, or not. Of course, Topa should consider that f6 square is very weak, and any piece can go here. I did not, but he should.
Maybe this is why Karpov had the WC title, but Topalov not yet.
Oct-08-15  psmith: Apparently this was an "insane" Sunday puzzle back in November 2013 (based on earlier comments) but is now a "medium" Thursday puzzle. Have the puzzles been recalibrated? No, I think this is not so hard and I got it in a few minutes...
Oct-08-15  TimothyLucasJaeger: i think if this had been a sunday puzzle i'd probably given up, but eventually (after 5 minutes) i realized that the bishops ended up forked at the end.
Oct-08-15
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  agb2002: Already over-used.
Oct-08-15
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  kevin86: I missed this one by a country mile...I was looking at Bh6+
Oct-08-15
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Oct-08-15  patfoley: That's easy for you to say!
Oct-08-15
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  Tiggler: <Hmmm, Karpov played the exchange - which seems a little timid!?

<Richard Taylor: Yes even my steam driven Fritz prefers 23. Qxf7 but has anyone noticed that Karpov isn't a computer?>>

Well certainly not, and his continuation leads to the faster, surer win, despite the computer evals pointing the other way.

After Karpov's continuation we get to, after white move 40, had Topalov played on a little longer:


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After 23. Qxf7 and best continuation by both sides, we get, after white move 39:


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Both positions are clearly won for white, but I much prefer the first which white can win in his sleep. Obviously Topalov knew that.

Oct-08-15  dark.horse: Never saw this before. I didn't know so many tactical themes could be crammed into so few moves. Sweet!
Oct-08-15
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  Bubo bubo: 30.Nf6 was the first move I considered: It sets up a double check if Black captures, otherwise it wins the exchange as 30...Qxf3 fails to Re8 dropping with check.

But since I only looked for mate initially, I soon rejected Nf6, since after either double check the king simply captures and my planned attack peters out for lack of ammo. Only after I had convinced myself that the black king is defended too well to make e.g. Bxh6+ promising, I finally returned to Nf6, now discovering the real trick about it:

30.Nf6 Kxf6 31.Be5++ Kxe5 (otherwise the queen is lost) 32.Qxe4+ Kxe4 allows the skewer 33.Re1+, and 34.Rxe8 then forks the unguarded black bishops, and hence White wins the exchange after all. Charming!

Oct-08-15  patfoley: Tiggler,

I would resign as black in the second diagram Q vs R + B. I would play on a bit an exchange down in the first diagram.

I think Kasparov would have been confident he could out-tactic Topalov. Karpov was confident he could squeeze out an endgame win.

Oct-08-15
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  Tiggler: <patfoley: Tiggler,

I would resign as black in the second diagram Q vs R + B. I would play on a bit an exchange down in the first diagram.>

Given that you would have no chance against me in that position, would you play on against Karpov?

Oct-09-15  patfoley: You have out-hypotheticaled me, Tiggler.
Oct-09-15
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  Check It Out: Missed this one. The worst part is that I've seen this game before, and I envisioned that knight going to f6 dozens of times in my struggle to make Bxh6+ work.
Oct-09-15
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  CHESSTTCAMPS: I first looked at 30.Bxh6+ Kxh6 31.Qxf7, but couldn't find a convincing continuation. Then I looked at 30.Nf6!! Kxf6 31.Be5+!! Kxe5, but couldn't find the mate, so set it aside. Then I visited 30.Nc7 Re7 and couldn't find a win. Back to door #2:

30.Nf6!! Kxf6 (Qxf3 31.Nxe8+ wins a rook) 31.Be5+!! Kxe5 (Kg5 32.Bf6#; 31... other 32.Qxe4) 32.Qxe4+ Kxe4 33.Re1+ Kd5 34.Rxe8 Bxh3! 35.Rxf8 Be6 looks like a tough ending for white to win. (R for N+P).

Above is represented almost every key tactical device in chess: fork (by knight), zwischenzug, double check, king hunt, skewer, a fork (by rook), and desperado. Looking for improvements, I found 32.Qxf7!! and it seems that the double threat of 33.Qxe8+ and f4+ is decisive, e.g. 33... Re6 34.f4+ Qxf4 35.Re1+ Kd6 36.Qxf4+ wins.

Not Kotov-style disciplined analysis, but I think that's it. Time for review....

Oct-09-15
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  CHESSTTCAMPS: So I was (almost) right the first time? Later I will review the computer analysis.
Oct-09-15
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  Tiggler: <patfoley: You have out-hypotheticaled me, Tiggler.>

Nice one, patfoley. A bit like hyper-hypothecation, I guess:

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Apr-18-17
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  ChessHigherCat: Good chess-based pun. My first thought was "Let's do it like they do it on the Discovery Channel" but when I played through the game I realized it referred to the discovered check on move 31.
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