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|Apr-01-08|| ||outplayer: 13...Na6 14.Qe3 Kf7 15.Ne5+ Ke8 16.Bxa6 bxa6 17.Bxc5 d6 18.Nc7+ (18.Nc4+ Be5)Ke7 19.Qg5+ |
|Feb-21-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Reti to attack|
|Apr-29-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Euwe went totally wrong|
|Jul-13-09|| ||WhiteRook48: this is proof that the Dutch is a bad opening choice|
|Oct-13-09|| ||Cercatore: Reti really hate his rooks.|
|Apr-05-10|| ||Domdaniel: < this is proof that the Dutch is a bad opening choice>
Utter nonsense, I'm afraid, and yet it remains a widely held opinion: see the kibitzing when Timmermann played a Leningrad Dutch against the CG 'World'.|
1...f5 is admittedly a bit naive, as it lets White lash out with 2.e4 or 2.g4, or play anti-Dutch systems like 2.Bg5 (more dangerous than it looks).
So it's better for Black to play 1...e6 or ...d6 or ...g6, with 2...f5 to follow. You have to be happy with a transposition to a French, Pirc or Modern, of course.
Black can also reach classical Dutch positions in other ways, such as via the Nimzo-Indian: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 Ne4 5.Qc2 f5, analyzed in Dangerous Weapons: the NID.
What's wrong is grabbing pawns in a way that gives White a huge development advantage and leaves Black with weaknesses, which happened here. When white played 5.f3 Black should not assist him by capturing: both 5...d5 and 5...e3 are better than ...exf3.
Andrew Martin did a lot of analysis -- articles, book, video/DVD -- on these anti-Dutch gambit lines in the 1990s, and concluded that Black can survive and frequently get an advantage.
Even here, though, the double rook sac should probably lead to a draw. Euwe's 13...d6 is a mistake.
|Sep-16-11|| ||sevenseaman: <Max> just kept walking up the garden path, enjoying the serendipity and thinking everything was hunky dory.|
Aah! What a shattering disillusionment!
To think <Reti> was never a World Champion!
The pun is sublime.
|Sep-16-11|| ||sevenseaman: Notice that it is important that at the 18th White move the B checks from c7 rather than e7.|
|Sep-16-11|| ||Oceanlake: My grandpappy told me something which I've neverf forgotten.... Never....|
|Sep-16-11|| ||shivasuri4: <sevenseaman>,not really,if you don't mind the mate being delayed by just 3 moves.If 18.Be7+,18...Ke8(if Kc8,Qa6+ Kb8,Bd6#)19.Nc7+ Kf7 20.Ng5+ Kg8 21.Qc4+ Be6 22.Qxe6#|
|Sep-16-11|| ||gofer: Which is better; <13 Bxe7> or <13 Nxe7> ?|
I am struggling to beat sicilon with the former, but have no such problem with the latter...
|Sep-16-11|| ||kevin86: Reti or not-here I come!
A good attack with a two-rook sac. As the queen bbecame inactive for black-it was an unfair trade:two rooks for a queen and a few tempi as well.
Could we ALMOST not call that a sacrifice?
|Sep-16-11|| ||David2009: < gofer: Which is better; <13 Bxe7> or <13 Nxe7> ?
I am struggling to beat sicilon with the former, but have no such problem with the latter...>
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I can't help you, old chap: I lose to Crafty End Game Trainer with either variation. Link to the position at move 11 (White plays 11.Nxd5):
|Sep-16-11|| ||coconut: To me 13...d6 just looked dumb, even before I watched Réti's winning combination. Yet, I am a far weaker player than Euwe, and I assume I'm missing something that makes it look attractive. Any ideas, please? My pet engine (bless its, um, source) can only share an AI's view: "he just willingly went from a +0.40 position to a +7.75."|
|Sep-16-11|| ||RandomVisitor: 13.Nc7+!
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13...Kd8 14.Bxe7+ Kxc7 15.Qf4+ Kb6 16.Qd6+ Nc6 17.Qxc5+ Kc7 18.Bd6+ Kd8 19.Qg5+ Ke8 20.Bxg6+ hxg6 21.Qxg6+ Kd8 22.Qxg7 Qa1 23.Qxa1 Rh6 24.Bf4 d6 25.Bxh6
(9.90) Depth: 16 00:00:44 21451kN
|Sep-16-11|| ||maxi: At the time of this game Euwe was only 19, while Reti was at the height of his career (by the way, RR died when he was only forty years old). This game should be understood in this context. Same goes for the companion game where RR sacrifices both rooks against, yes, Euwe, the same year. (I guess Euwe had to be explained everything twice.) Can you can say that Euwe was an amateur? Or very close to being one? He would then be the strongest amateur in history and the only one that made wch, too.|
|Oct-06-13|| ||rccomputacion: En el movimiento 13 las negras debieron jugar Da1 y poner la dama rapidamente en accion de nuevo.|
|Oct-06-13|| ||rccomputacion: Euwe tenia muchas oportunidades de equilibrar y despues ganar el partido poniendo rapidamente la dama en accion en el movimiento 13... con solo jugar 13... Da1 era suficiente|
|Jan-29-14|| ||rickycota: 16. 0-0-0 for black would be something better?|
|May-05-14|| ||Check It Out: Euwe took the gambit pawn and the gambit rooks and then Reti smashed him. good stuff.|
|Jan-08-15|| ||GoldenBird: This is why I think it is so much safer to play 1.d4 e6 2. c4 and only then f5 if you want a dutch, since it avoids the Staunton gambit|
|Jan-09-15|| ||visayanbraindoctor: One of the rarest sacs in chess, the double rook sac. Some masters go through all their lives never experiencing it. Companion brilliancy to |
Euwe vs Reti, 1920
What are the chances of a double rook sacrifice played by the same players to occur in the same year (perhaps same match)? One in a zillion?
|Jun-10-15|| ||hadi706: rickycota: 16. 0-0-0 for black would be something better?
به نظر من از حرکت 9 سفید برنامه ریزی کامل کرده برای گرفتن وزیر سیاه و یا مات کردن
|Dec-01-15|| ||Yggdrasil44: Well, according my comp, the position after 9...Qxb2 is already bad for black.|
1) 13...d6 is probably not the best defense from black, but other moves are losing as well - for example 13...Qa1 14.Bd6! Bd4+ 15.Kg3 Nc6 16.Nc7+ Kf7 17.Qh6 with a decisive attack
2) If black refuses to take the second rook with 12...Qb2, white wins after 13.Nxe7! d6 (or 13...Bd4+ 14.Kg3 Be5+ 15.Nxe5 Qxe5+ 16.Bf4 with a decisive attack) 14.Re1! Kd7 15.Qf4! Qxa2 16.Nxc8 with a decisive attack
3) After 9...Qxb2 simple 10.0-0 leads to a big advantage for white, for example 10...0-0 11.Rab1 Qa3 12.Nb5 Qxa2 13.d6!
|Jun-09-17|| ||mifralu: Black resigns after 17. Qe2+
Algemeen Handelsblad 19 June 1920 page 9
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