< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 3 ·
|Mar-06-07|| ||consul: <jmrulez2004 [...]White plays 29.Bxd7!!Black has to replay with 29.Kxg7..and white checks with 30.Qd4....black can replay with either Rf6 and Qe5[...]>
I'm not quite sure: look at 30 .. f8|
|Mar-06-07|| ||afioonov: it was quite easy to solve,when u have more than one piece attacking the king after a sac,and one of them is your queen,dont hesitate do the sac!|
|Mar-06-07|| ||ahmadov: I found this one as well. It was not difficult to guess that there was a rook sacrifice.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Sibahi: Got it ..|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Fisheremon: <MostlyAverageJoe: <esticles: <Manic> You're right, 28...Qg3 (I assume you meant) wins also. It's just slightly less efficient, as white can prolong the game with 29. Bxg7+ Kxg7 30. Qd4+ Kf8 31.Qc5+ Ke8 32. Bd5>|
Nope: 31. Qc5+ Ke8?? 32. Rxe3+, black queen gone.> and mate quite soon like a boomerang. The winning line is 30...Rf6.
|Mar-06-07|| ||goldfarbdj: Rxg2+ popped out at once, and Be4+ seemed a fairly obvious followup. I spent a while looking for mate after 30. Kf1 Rf8+ 31. Ke2 -- black seemed to have a strong attack, but not an immediate mate. Then I finally noticed 30. ... Qf4+ instead.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Tactic101: I sort of come from the family of people who like to prove everything. That's just my style. Not that I expect everyone to do the same. And yes, pages and pages of the same thing is a bit boring, but so are comments with one line saying it was easy. Ah well. This place is here to enjoy ourselves with great chess.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: I just have to see when chessgames formatter will run out of colors for multiply nested quotes :-)|
<Fisheremon: <MostlyAverageJoe: <esticles: <Manic> You're right, 28...Qg3 (I assume you meant) wins also. It's just slightly less efficient, as white can prolong the game with 29. Bxg7+ Kxg7 30. Qd4+ Kf8 31.Qc5+ Ke8 32. Bd5>
Nope: 31. Qc5+ Ke8?? 32. Rxe3+, black queen gone.> and mate quite soon like a boomerang. The winning line is 30...Rf6.>
Of course it is; the black is up a bishop at this point and white has nothing to threaten with, but the former attack is in shambles, so it will be a long painful salvage.
|Mar-06-07|| ||uuft: A more intricate comment than usual from my part: First thing I saw was you need to keep the e-pawn in place to let the bishop join any attack on white's king anytime soon. Having spotted this, looking at 28. .. Rxg2+ seems ever so natural, just like the rest of the mating-pattern. Great!! Well done! Should I mention I even overlooked the immediate threat on black's queen, due to sheer visualizing speed? Nah. :)|
|Mar-06-07|| ||laskereshevsky: the sac in "implicit" in the position!...
watch the board after the 28° white move...
ALL the white's pieces are located far from the K... between the "A" and the "E" lines.
Only two little miserable pawns ( g2,h3)were directly envolved in the K's defens....
instead 4 black pieces, and the "e3" pawn were ready to "jump on" the white K...
in this situation a player's thought is:....
" <There MUST be something....absolutly there MUST BE!!...>"
An a first sight, the Rxg2+ sac is an obviously one....
|Mar-06-07|| ||consul: In case of 31. c5 i'd play 31 .. g7 f7 rather than 31 .. e8, variations are not that trivial, afterwards!|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Fisheremon: <MostlyAverageJoe: Incidentally, 28 ... Qe4 also wins, but nowhere as fast (the threat of mate on g2 forces white to trade its queen for a rook, then bishop on d4 goes, etc). Something like:|
28 ... Qe4 29. Qf3 Rxf3 30. gxf3 Qxd4> and mate not later than at 40 move. So the puzzle has almost two solutions: 28...Rxg2+ and 28...Qe4.
|Mar-06-07|| ||Aristarchos: I am not sure I understand the winning line after 28. ... Qg3 29. Bxg7+ Kxg7 30. Qd4+ Rf6!? It seems to me that after 31. Rxe3 White has at least some counterplay, as the rook on f6 is pinned and the black king quite exposed. Not good for Black is now, for example, 31. ... Qc7 32. Rae1 Bf7 33. Re7, followed by 34. Rf1!|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Silverstrike: I found the first few moves, but instead of 30...Qf4+, I had 30...Qh2, which loses to 31.Rxe3.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Rubenus: Another rook sacrifice on g2 this week. We know what the theme is.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||patzer2: The pseudo sacrfice 28...Rxg2! forces a quick mate.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||melv: What if white had played 15. f5. instead of the kingside loosening h3?|
|Mar-06-07|| ||TrueBlue: this was easy, about 10 seconds to see the move, then it was a matter of verifying it. Knew that black had to give check or move the queen, and since I didn't find any good places to move the queen, checked Rf1+, Qh2+, and the answer. The first two moves were refuted right away!|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Fisheremon: <Aristarchos: I am not sure I understand the winning line after 28. ... Qg3 29. Bxg7+ Kxg7 30. Qd4+ Rf6!? It seems to me that after 31. Rxe3 White has at least some counterplay, as the rook on f6 is pinned and the black king quite exposed. Not good for Black is now, for example, 31. ... Qc7 32. Rae1 Bf7 33. Re7, followed by 34. Rf1!> 31...Qf2+ with next Nf5.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||Silverstrike: <melv> 15.f5 drops the e5-pawn, and after 15...Nxe5 16.f6 gxf6 white doesn't seem to have any tangible compensation.|
|Mar-06-07|| ||micartouse: I kind of messed it up. I was calculating 30 ... Rf8+ 31. Ke2 Bf3+ 32. Kd3 Qe4+ which seems totally winning for Black but not fast enough. Euwe's 30 ... Qf4+ is much more clean.|
It's hard for me to calculate such attacks. It looks like a million checks and defenses and I have to calm my brain down enough to keep it orderly and check them one by one. :(
|Mar-06-07|| ||jmrulez2004: thank consul...i missed that one....haiz...but anywayz
still an advantage for white cause if
30.Kf8 after 30.Qd4 .....31.Qd5!!!..its either draw for white but if he moves to 31.e8 ..31..Rxe3!!and the queen is bye-bye
|Mar-06-07|| ||chopin4525: Got it.It was pretty easy but I needed a couple of minutes to find it I am out of training...must be the exams ^^|
|Mar-06-07|| ||bulanterbang: how about Qg3. it's very tough|
|Mar-06-07|| ||gawain: I, too, went for ...Qg3. Alas.
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 3 ·