|Oct-18-04|| ||Knight13: Black abandoned the Caslte King too much that Euwe destroyed its fortress and won. Interesting. |
|Aug-18-07|| ||amntony: A slick French game by Euwe using the h-file :-)|
|Mar-11-10|| ||Retireborn: Does anybody know the occasion of this game, was it an offhand game?|
|Mar-11-10|| ||keypusher: <Retireborn> These two played a drawn 12-gave match in Bad Aussee, Austria in 1921 (Maroczy was 50, Euwe was 19), but this does not appear to be one of the games. So I would guess it was casual. But I don't know.|
|Mar-11-10|| ||sneaky pete: From a local event, the winter tournament of Euwe's chess club ASC. Played in January 1921.|
|Mar-11-10|| ||keypusher: <Retireborn>
<sneaky pete> is an amazing fount of historical knowledge, particularly where Dutch chess is concerned.
<sneaky pete>, did you happen to see retireborn's question about an Anglo-Dutch match in 1977?
Timman vs Miles, 1977
|Mar-11-10|| ||JonathanJ: what is the continuation? and why not 17.Nf8?|
|Mar-12-10|| ||nescio: <JonathanJ: what is the continuation? and why not 17.Nf8?>|
The threat is g5, followed by Nf6+ and I don't see what Black can do about it. 18...cxb2+ 19.Kb1 doesn't help.
After 17.Nf8 Black defends by 17...Qf6 and at some point ...Qg7 or ...Qe5+. There is no decision in sight.
|Mar-12-10|| ||JonathanJ: yes i see, i got something wrong in my brain ;)|
|Mar-26-10|| ||Retireborn: Gosh, I had forgotten that I posted this! Many thanks to <sneakypete> and <keypusher> for their help!|
|Apr-26-12|| ||thomastonk: <sneaky pete: From a local event, the winter tournament of Euwe's chess club ASC. Played in January 1921.>|
In "Theorie der Schacheröffnungen", Vol. VIII (1954), Euwe calls this game a consultation game.
|Apr-26-12|| ||sneaky pete: <thomastonk> In "Theorie der schaakopeningen", volume 8 (1938), Euwe called it an exhibition game, which is also inaccurate. The game is from ASC's 1920/21 club championship, won by
|Apr-26-12|| ||thomastonk: <sneaky pete> Thanks! Just to be sure: this game is neither related to Euwe nor Maroczy?|
|Apr-26-12|| ||sneaky pete: <thomastonk> I would say it is related to Euwe and Maroczy, since the played the game. It seems Maroczy had made Amsterdam his second home in the early twenties and like Euwe competed several times in the (loosely organised) championships of both big local clubs ASC and VAS.|
What I wrote earlier about Speijer isn't correct. He won the 1920/21 VAS tournament (second place Euwe, who challenged Speijer and beat him in a match in April +4 -1) and this game is from the 1920/21 ASC tournament, according to Kmoch's 1937 biography.
|Apr-26-12|| ||thomastonk: <sneaky pete> Thanks again! |
You know what I am doing, and the early and mid 1920s are a hell! Euwe plays almost everywhere: ASC, VAS, single and team competitions, and next the silver queen trophy, which seems to be organised by several clubs. And then he plays even for Rotterdam ... :-)
|May-12-18|| ||zanzibar: I have a source giving this game as <Alekhine--Euwe> played in Amsterdam.|
<Regards 1937-01-07 p22>
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It's a little confusing trying to match the other quoted sources...
e.g. <sneaky pete> doesn't list a source in his original assertion:
Euwe vs Maroczy, 1921 (kibitz #5)
The <thomastonk> cites <"Theorie der Schacheröffnungen"v3 (1954)> with Euwe calling the game a consultation -
small aside - worldcat.org gives date as 1957
Then <sneaky> cites <Theorie der schaakopeningen v8 (1938)>...
Euwe vs Maroczy, 1921 (kibitz #12)
but again, he notes the source (Euwe!) is incorrect, but does cite what he correcting source actually is.
Aside - and it's too bad that WorldCat doesn't give the important pub date of 1e (only giving 4e):
A bit of a song-and-dance recap, but given my source (and its precedence in chronology) I am wondering what <sneaky>'s source is.
|May-12-18|| ||Stonehenge: See https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=... or https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=...|
|May-12-18|| ||Stonehenge: <ernstige partij> = serious game.|
|May-12-18|| ||Telemus: <zanzibar> About the different editions of Euwe's book.|
The first three Dutch editions are from 1938, 1941 and 1947 (in my library and also in Worldcat).
The first two German editions are from 1954 and 1960. (There are dated prefaces and in addition the latest inclusions are particularly emphazised: Zurich 1953 for the 1954 edition, and the USSR ch 1960 and the WCh 1960 for the 2nd edition.) That doesn't mean that Worldcat's 1957 is wrong, since an unchanged reprint of the 1954 edition is possible.
|May-12-18|| ||sneaky pete: <Zanzibar> The first source (for the origin of the game) is <Euwe Slaagt> by Hans Kmoch, third printing, published in 1937 (not different from the first edition, published in 1935). Page 30, game 16, "Winterwedstrijd A.S.C., Januari 1921"; black is G. Maroczy and not Euwe (who played white); no Alekhine in sight.|
The second source is the first edition of <Theorie der Schaakopeningen> volume 8, published by Van Goor in 1938, preface by Euwe dated March 1938. The game is quoted on page 18, right column, as a warning against 6... O-O and again as "Euwe-Maroczy, exhibitiepartij A.S.C., 1921". I still doubt if it was a real exhibition game, but Euwe may have considered it as such for some good reason.
Too bad Worldcat doesn't have the pub date of the first edition, but I have, I even have the book itself. Give my regards to Regards.
|May-14-18|| ||zanzibar: Thanks for all the good info... I'll have a detailed look at it a little later.|