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|Jun-13-05|| ||ashalpha: Ezzy: hmmmm I dont really see that its winning yet, even a piece up. Look at the position after 31. Bg3. How does black protect against the now activated white rook? Whatever move black makes both 32.Rf1 or 32. Re1 are pretty dangerous to the weakened back rank of black. Who is the hunter and who the hunted in that position?|
|Jun-13-05|| ||ashalpha: I think 30..dxe5 allowing the draw safer. Even 31..Rxg6 allows a pretty uncertain endgame when the two pieces with correct play might hold the draw against the rook and the extra albeit doubled pawn(or is it the other way around?) lol.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||panigma: Why not start the problem from move 28?|
|Jun-13-05|| ||zb2cr: Saw it quickly; spent most of my time double-checking because the solution seemed too easy.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||sanferrera: I love mondays...eeeh, wll, don't missunderstand me, only because I always solve the chessgames.com pussle, not because of the darn work|
|Jun-13-05|| ||homersheineken: Wow, I actually got one!!!! Maybe everyday should be a Monday! ....wait, has that ever been said b4?? :)|
|Jun-13-05|| ||Ezzy: <ashalpha> Here are just a few small lines, and I would take black in all of them, than accept a draw with 30..dxe5.
White doesn't have enough attacking power or initiative to cause black problems.|
29.Bxf4 Qxd3 30.Bxe5+ Kg8 31.Bg3 Bd5 32.Re1 <(32.Rf1 Nd7 33.a3 Rf6 winning)> Re6 33.Rxe6 <(33.a3 Rxe1+ 34.Qxe1 Be4; 33.Bxd6 Nd7 massive advantage)> Bxe6 34.Qe1 Bf7 35.a3 Nc6 massive advantage
In all cases black has an extra piece and the more active pieces. White can not stray to far from his king, and black has no real danger to his king, so It all looks good for black to me.
But in the heat of battle - Who knows!! I think going for the win is the right policy
There is one thing for sure 29 Bxf4 would of given him a damn site more chances than the feeble 29 Ne1. :-) But to be fair, It was one of those combinations that is easy to miss.
But yes, 29 Bxf4 keeps white alive and kicking!!
|Jun-13-05|| ||chessfreako: Man, I think this question is too easy to even be a Monday puzzle lol :D|
|Jun-13-05|| ||xxdsdxx: You just have to love Mondays! 2 seconds to sacrifice the Queen, and Rh6#. The real beauty of Euwe's game was on 22... Rf8-g8. This first sacrifice got rid of the troublesome knight and took the initiative away from white. Then it was up to White to throw some wood on the fire to stop the Black attack, which he did not do. GG|
|Jun-13-05|| ||avidfan: Black won because of the B-pin on the long white diagonal allowed 28...Qh3, 29...Qxh2+ and for the <third straight day> the queen could not defend against mate.|
25...f4! banished the Bishop while taking a stranglehold in the center by further limiting the space for White's pieces. This move also allows the final winning move ...Rh6 while also preventing any escape by Kg3.
The off-side b3 Knight was another ineffective piece against the dominant Black pawn center. Strategists may say that White is one piece worse.
|Jun-13-05|| ||notyetagm: Everyone is pointing out how simple the final solution is, <but look how purposefully Euwe played to create the final mating pattern.> As soon as White played 24 ♖g1, Euwe probably visualized the final mating position and so now his plan is to implement it. First he plays 24 ... f5 and 25 ... f4, to take away the g3-square from the White king and trap him on the h-file after the upcoming queen sacrifice on h2. Then he lifts his rook with 26 ... ♖g6, so that his rook can deliver mate down the h-file after the queen sacrifice opens it. Now it is the simple matter of bringing the queen over to the h-file for the line-opening sacrifice on h2, which he does by playing 27 ... ♕d7 and 28 ... ♕h3 (incidentally exploiting the pin on the a8-h1 diagonal). After his 28th move, Euwe has achieved the fantasy position that he visualized after White played 24 ♖g1: everything is in position for the Greco mate with 29 ... ♕xh2+!. Then Euwe finishes his plan by executing the mate. <Who among us would play so purposefully?>|
<Also note that all the moves that Euwe played improve his position even if his opponent prevents the mate threat.> Euwe places his pawns on dark-squares to fight the enemy dark-squared bishop and augment his light-squared bishop (24 ... f5, 25 ... f4), lifts his rook onto the sixth rank where it can also attack in the center or on the queenside (26 ... ♖g6), and places his queen on an active, threatening square (27 ... ♕d7, 28 ... ♕h3). <In short, with every move Euwe improves his position while at the same time creating a mating threat that his opponent simply does not see.> Magnificent play by Euwe.
|Jun-13-05|| ||notyetagm: <jmuller: <aw1988: Really, this is too easy even for a Monday.> Yes, but I missed it with 29...Rh6. :-(>>|
I think 29 ... ♖h6?? is refuted by the line 30 ♘f3 ♗xf3 31 gxf3 and now the White queen on f2 defends the h2-focal point.
|Jun-13-05|| ||YouRang: Mondays are good for the ego. This was maybe a bit too easy, though.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||SneakysMom: Sneaky, I thought I told you to change your underwear!!|
|Jun-13-05|| ||chopbox: Look at the position after 20...gxf6, just after White's rook sac has opened up Black's pawns in front of his castled king. Is White's rook sac justified?|
I first thought, if instead of 21.Nh5, White had played 21.Qf2 with the idea of aiming at the pawn on f6 with Q, or mating on g7 (supported by bishop on h6 or N on f5 or h5), that White is ahead. Now I don't know, but there are some wild lines.
For instance: 21.Qf2 Nd7 22.Nh5 Kh8 23.Nxf6 Rg8 24.Nxh7 Qc6 25.Ng5 Qxg2+ (anything else leads to mate by White after Qh4) 26.Qxg2 Bxg2 27.Kxg2 f6 28.h4 and now I think Black is winning.
So, is that Rook sac justified?
|Jun-13-05|| ||fgh: Another extremely easy puzzle.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||SneakysMom: That's my Sneaky!!|
|Jun-13-05|| ||tpstar: Sneaky's Mom has got it goin' on/She's all I want, and I've waited for so long/Sneaky can't you see, you're just not the girl for me (lol)/I know it might be wrong, but I'm in love with Sneaky's Mom|
|Jun-13-05|| ||inad: <Eric Xanthus: inad, what is your plan after 29.Bxf4 Qxd3? Or were your hopes on 29.Bxf4 exf4? 30.Nxf4 with a fork> Sorry for the late reply but I went to sleep after my first posting. I was thinking 29.Bxf4 Qxd3 30.Bg5 then after that either the perpertual or black has to reply with 30. Qd5 then 31.Qf8+ Qg8 32.Bf6+ and now white atleast has a draw.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||kevin86: White's early failing was to open a file against his own king;the mate was a case of a back rank mate-vertical style. Simple but elegant.|
|Jun-13-05|| ||black knight c6: Nice ♕ sack and 'side' back rank mate.|
|Jun-14-05|| ||ashalpha: Ezzy: 33. Rf1 not Rxe6 still exposing the weak back rank. 33..Re8 to bolster it gives more pawns away to 34.Bxd6 when white has compensation for the piece with two pawns and the initiative. The situation is hilariously reversed with black forced to do 35..Bxg2 to force the draw. |
Inad: 30.Bg5 loses to the pedestrian 30..Nd7. The white Queen cannot leave the second rank because of Bxg2 leaving white helpless against the Black Queen. 30. Bxe4 though I think draws or if black forces wins in all variations. 30..Kg8 31.Bg3 Bd5 32.Re1 Re6 33. Rf1 Nd7 34. Qf7+ Kh8 35. Rg1 and the piece is given back with initiative.(note: hilariously black can draw in the perpetual line 35..Bxg2.) 33..Re8 is the best line but I think it's still a draw. Anyone with a prog willing to analyze that?
|Jun-14-05|| ||Ezzy: <ashalpha> I have Fritz 8 on the case, and the silicon beast suggests - |
29.Bxf4 Qxd3 30.Bxe5+ Kg8 31.Bg3 Bd5 32.Re1 Re6 33.Rf1 Nd7 34.Qf7+ Kh8 35.Rg1 Re2 <Threatens mate in 5.36...Bxg2+ 37 Rxg2 Qb1+ etc> 36.Qf1 Qd2 37.b3 Qxa2 38.b4 Qd2 And black is winning]
But, in an OTB game anything can happen, and it is still worth a fight, but realistically - black should win easily!
|Jun-14-05|| ||TheAlchemist: <Ezzy> Please, don't take this the wrong way, I think you can have a laugh too. A fragment of your, otherwise very good post:|
<Threatens mate in 5.36>
Hope you find it amusing as well. :-)
|Jun-15-05|| ||Ezzy: <TheAlchemist> Actually, Fritz 8 is so accurate it calculated mate in 5.364473295 moves, but I rounded it up to 2 significant figures for practical reasons! :-)|
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