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|Feb-24-07|| ||paul1959: White plays a waiting game. Lasker does not want to show where his minor pieces will go until Black start moving pawns in the center. This was Lasker's first tournament in years and the first time he was facing hypermodern strategies.|
|Feb-24-07|| ||Marmot PFL: That c2 pawn was poison.|
|Feb-24-07|| ||keypusher: A wonderful, oddball game. Lasker was so hard to play against!|
|Dec-21-07|| ||xeroxmachine: "wacky tabacky" haha User: An Englishman|
|Dec-21-07|| ||whiteshark: Is the endgame after <59.Rxa2> already lost ?
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|Dec-21-07|| ||Calli: I think so. If 59...Kb5 60.Rc2 or, as in the game, 59...Kc3 60.Ra4! The King is cut off either way.|
|Mar-28-08|| ||keypusher: Any hypermodern knows that e2-e4 is stronger on move 61 than on move 1.|
|May-27-09|| ||technical draw: Ok is this the Hippopotamas or the London system? I have to know because there is a player at QA who's has beaten me 3 out of 4 using this set up with both black and white. I really can't find a way to break through the fortifications and I just give up and go for a dubious sacrifice.|
|May-27-09|| ||technical draw: Here's one of my games with this set up and they call it Owen's defence. I'm white:|
1. e4 b6 2. d4 Bb7 3. Bd3 g6 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. c3 e6 6. O-O d6 7. Re1 Ne7 8. Nbd2 Nd7 9. Nf1 a6 10. Ng3 h6 11. Qe2 b5 12. Bd2 Nb6 13. b3 Qd7 14. e5 d5 15. Be3 Nc6 16. Qd2 Bf8 17. a4 b4 18. c4 dxc4 19. bxc4 Na5 20. c5 Nd5 21. Reb1 Nc6 22. Bc4 a5 23. Ne4 O-O-O 24. Bxd5 Qxd5 25. Nf6 Qc4 26. Rc1 Qa6 27. Qd1 Ne7 28. Qf1 Qa8 29. Qe2 Nf5 30. Qd3 Be7 31. Rc2 Bxf6 32. exf6 Be4 0-1
|Sep-19-09|| ||andrewjsacks: The opening from Mars...|
|Sep-19-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: Very interesting game, full of tension and fight.|
|Sep-19-09|| ||Open Defence: Lasker's game had a lot of depth, I am sure he would be more than a handful for today's Super GMs and teach them a few things...|
|Sep-19-09|| ||Open Defence: can White jettison the h pawn with 20.Rxd1 ?
20.Rxd1 Qxh3 21.b5 looks interesting
|Oct-30-09|| ||FSR: A weird little game. No wonder Euwe found Lasker's play so confusing. Soltis in his book on Lasker quotes Euwe as saying something to the effect that we can't learn anything from Lasker's games, we can only look on in wonder.|
|Oct-30-09|| ||FSR: I wonder if there is any other pair of world champions where one so dominated the other (+3=0-0). I doubt it.|
|Mar-10-11|| ||keypusher: <keypusher: Any hypermodern knows that e2-e4 is stronger on move 61 than on move 1.>|
Seems like it would have been pretty strong on move 49! Was Lasker worried about running out of pawns?
After 49...Rxf3 the immediate 50.exd5 exd5 is not promising for White (Shredder). Interpolating 50.Kg4 Rf2 51.exd5 exd5 52.Ra8 Kc5 is still tough for White.
|Mar-11-11|| ||ughaibu: FSR: As I remember it, Euwe is translated as having written "stand and wonder" rather than "in wonder".|
|Mar-11-11|| ||Calli: I detect a little of "Mad Max" - a side of the normally rational Euwe that emerges from time to time. Specifically, Lasker's Bxb6 is obvious and Euwe has the natural move, 24...Kb7, to avoid the complications. I guess he thought that he would out combine Lasker and emerge a pawn ahead. Apparently he didn't consider his shattered pawn structure.|
<Ugahibu> Euwe was standing while playing? That explains it!
|Mar-11-11|| ||FSR: <Calli> I wouldn't assume that Euwe saw Bxb6. He sometimes missed his opponents' tactical shots, even when he was much further along in his career (and stronger - he certainly was not a world-class player in 1923). As for being a pawn ahead, he also would have been a pawn ahead - and with a much more solid pawn structure - after your suggested 24...Kb7. I can't believe he would have preferred the game continuation.|
|Mar-11-11|| ||Calli: Yep, a5 could just be a blunder, but one would think that after g4, Rc1 he would suspect the old guy was up to something. I made a similar comment about Euwe's irrational side at Alekhine vs Euwe, 1935 where he plunges needlessly into complications.|
|Mar-11-11|| ||FSR: <ughaibu> You are correct: "It is not possible to learn much from him. One can only stand and wonder."|
|Mar-11-11|| ||keypusher: <Calli> <FSR> There's no telling what Euwe saw or didn't see, of course. But it's fun to speculate. |
Of course he saw he was opening the c-file for Lasker's rook with 22....Qxc2. Then after 23.Rc1 Qg6 the immediate Bxb6 is useless. Maybe Euwe missed the 24.b5 interpolation and panicked or despaired. I have to say, 24...Kb7 isn't a move I would relish playing, though Shredder confirms it is much stronger than 24....a5.
It's also possible that he saw all the way to 27.Kf1 when capturing Lasker's c-pawn and was shocked (upon arriving at the position he had forseen) to realize he didn't have a fully convincing counter to Nd5.
|Mar-11-11|| ||Calli: <kp> I am just having fun with it and not claiming to know what really went down. Sometimes you can glimpse the inner workings with reasonable probability.|
<24...Kb7 isn't a move I would relish> Hmm.. well, the should leave the C-file if possible. Pretty big flaw in Lasker's scheme that Black can do it immediately and play a5 later if he wants. One might speculate that both players missed the move.
I really like Euwe's 27...h5! He's down but not out and throws a monkey wrench in there. Lasker had to consider all sorts of new lines emanating from 28.gxh5 Qh6 etc. In fact, it's surprising that Euwe plays Qe6. I thought he was setting up 28...Rd7 29.Nd5 Qh6 because 30.b6 c6! is not so good for White.
A good game to analyse with many twists and turns.
|Mar-11-11|| ||keypusher: <Calli: <kp> I am just having fun with it and not claiming to know what really went down.>|
Completely agree. I suspect you're relying less on silicon than I am, too. That said, 28....Rd7 seems to work pretty well against 29.Nd5, but White also has 29.Na4, when 29....Qh6 30.b6 c6 is strongly answered with 31.Nc5. If instead 30....hxg4, then 31.bxc7 Rxc7 32.Rxc7+ Kxc7 33.Qxf7+ and White keeps the upper hand.
|Oct-30-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: An alternative to 17...g5 is 17...Qc4 preparing the move ...Nc5 as well as preventing the move b4|
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