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Max Euwe vs Rudolf Johannes Loman
Rotterdam (1923)  ·  Reti Opening: Advance Variation (A09)  ·  1-0
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Oct-18-10  desiobu: <lostgalaxy>: what about 16...Rxa2 17. Qh7+ Kf8 18. Ne6+ fxe6 19. Qxg7#
Oct-18-10  kurtrichards: 17. Qh8+ mating... 1-0
Oct-18-10  psmith: <David2009> Looking at this with Fritz 5.32 the best line after 16. Nxd4 Kf8 seems to be 17. Qh7 (with a threat of 18. Qxg7+!) and then 17... Nf5 18. Nxf5 Bxb2+ 19. Kxb2 gxf5 20. Qh8+ Ke7 21. Qe5+ Kd7 22. Qxf5+ Kc7 23. d4 which Fritz thinks is . Or, 21. Re1+ Kd7 22. Rxe8 Qxe8 23. Qd4+ Kc7 24. Rh8 .
Oct-18-10  Major Dude: As Fischer once commented about the Dragon variation of Sicilian defense, "Sack, sack, Mate"
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  mjmorri: Why on Earth would Black choose to castle kingside, especially after White's 11.h4
Oct-18-10  dagwood2005: puzzle = lame
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  kevin86: Funny about Monday puzzles-it was virtually impossible for me to see any move BUT 17 ♕h8+!,even before I looked at the whole position.
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  chrisowen: A variation Na3 Ao9 unusual Reti see history OE 5th start nice advance d4 focus. Hoe guard entwine qh8+ it is beautiful south maneuver two lips nxd4 spring rook mate.
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  waustad: It appears that the salesman died here.
Oct-18-10  Jim Bartle: I hear Loman was liked but not well liked.
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  gawain: The combination plays itself!
Oct-18-10  turbo231: I must be in a semi coma, the best I could come up with is a perpetual check!!!
Oct-18-10  sneaky pete: On the second page some kibitzers claim Euwe's strategy was unsound, and could have been refuted by 7... d3 8.Na3 Nc6, but after 9.Qb3 ..

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his position is promising, in spite of the loss of 2 tempi. Pawn d3 will fall, and with Nf3 unpinned there is pressure on e5 (as yet immobile) too. What compensation does black have?

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  NARC: I guess it felt like going backwards down a playground slide for the black bishop on d4.
Oct-18-10  wals: Groan, missing a sitter like that....
talk about weeping tears of blood.......

Black also missed a sitter.
Analysis by Rybka 4 x 64.
depth 16 : 5 min :

(+1.87):15...axb4. gives an open file
but no immediate advantage.
Best, c5, +046, or King safety, Kf8,

Black depth 17 : 4 min :
(+#2):16...Bxd4. Best, Kf8, +1.87,or
Qxd4, +2.73.

Oct-18-10  jackpawn: Found immediately. I love x-rays.
Oct-18-10  kevins55555: 17. Qh8+!! Bxh8 18. Rxh8# mate! It's a sacrifice! 6 points losing in exchange but checkmate!
Oct-18-10  riverunner: boy it's windy in here.
Oct-18-10  turbo231: <gars: I love Mondays! I love only Mondays! I hate all the other days...>

I know what you're talking about. I used to try hard every day. Now I only look at mon, tues, and wed, sometimes thur's puzzles. The other days give me a headache. I'm thinking about only doing monday and tuesday's puzzles because the more puzzles I do the worse I get.

Oct-18-10  TheaN: ?!

For some odd reason I saw a pawn at h2 for 5 minutes I was looking at this game, before giving up seeing Qh8 leads to nothing then. Guess it's late, now almost 2AM here. Ofc, OTB Qh8 is an instant spot and was my first candidate here.

Oct-18-10  redorc19: Isn't this an X-RAY tactic????
Oct-18-10  EXIDE: 16. ..,Bxd4 was a mistake. Did black really think white had made an error on the knight capture of pawn the previous move? OK for Monday.
Oct-18-10  lionel15: I thought it was rather neat. But then I like chess I can understand
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  FSR: Death of a Salesman (someone else submitted this pun before I did, alas).
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  Domdaniel: Miller's Crossing.

Renaud and Kahn classify this as Mate No. 9B.

I'm not convinced that classifying mates like this is a useful exercise - on one hand, the naming of basic types can help players to remember patterns and see opportunities, but on the other hand, there will always be exceptions. And an over-formal concept of mating patterns may lead to chances being overlooked.

Still. 16.Nxd4 is a pretty blow.

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