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|Oct-17-03|| ||Bears092: A few things: In that game, you coulda played Bxf7+, followed by Qb3+ snagging a pawn and making the black king uncomfortable quite a few times.|
If I'm not missing anything too big, 15. Bxe6 wins rather easily. Of course, black can't take the bishop or queen, otherwise a piece will drop into f7 with mate. White also threatens a huge invasion on d7. Black has to move the queen, so that d8 is available for the king, while keeping a grip on the d7 square.
In my little sample line here, let's take a look at:
15. Bxe6 Qc7 16. Bxd7+ Kd8 17. fxg7+ f6 18. Bxf6+ Be7 19. fxh8=R mate
|Oct-17-03|| ||ughaibu: Bears092: You're spoiling Mack's fun again, so your turn. |
|Oct-17-03|| ||mack: Hmm, went offline and all this has happened! Sorry I was so slow! I'll have a look through those now, thanks |
|Oct-17-03|| ||chessgames.com: <disappointingly easy puzzle today> We have members of all different levels. We try to mix up the hard problems with the easy ones. Just wait until tomorrow, I seriously doubt anybody will be calling it 'easy.' |
|Oct-17-03|| ||Bears092: I'm talking about the game ughaibu posted. |
|Oct-17-03|| ||rollerblader1324: this is so friggin ez |
|Oct-17-03|| ||Shadout Mapes: <Just wait until tomorrow, I seriously doubt anybody will be calling it 'easy.'>|
Thanks a lot, guys, you really asked for it now.
|Oct-17-03|| ||John Doe: How long should I be taking to solve the harder problems? Should I use a board while moving pieces or screen/memory? |
|Oct-18-03|| ||Alchemist: <John Doe>
Using a board is a good way to get the knack for it, but ultimately you're going to need to work on your visualization, and the best way to do that is to calculate without a board. It might be slow going, but it will improve your chess significantly. Don't worry about how long it takes at first, just keep at it and you'll start to easily recognize and verify the right moves.
|Oct-18-03|| ||Bears092: <ughaibu> I put that game thru chessmaster, and 14. Bxe6 is actually a forced mate!|
14. Bxe6 Bd6 15. fxg7 Bxe5 16. Bxd7+ Qxd7 17. Qxe5+ Qe6 18. gxh8=Q+ Kd7 19. Qd4+ Kc6 20. Qa4+ b5 21. Qxa8+ Kc5 22. Qa7+ Kc6 23. Q4xa6+ Kd5 24. Qxb5+ Ke4 25. f3 mate
Interestingly enough, if blacks plays Qc7 instead of a6, he has a rather large advantage.
|Oct-18-03|| ||drukenknight: Bears seems to have the hot hand today. |
|Oct-18-03|| ||ughaibu: Bears092: That's how it went, NN resigned on move 17. Interesting that the computer (?) recommends Qc7, I thought Bd6 was the move at that point. I'm not sure that Bf7 (as mentioned in your earlier post) would have been better, more a matter of taste? |
|Oct-18-03|| ||Bears092: Actually, Bxf7 would be quite bad, now that I have a little more time.|
After Qb3+, black could play e6, and the f8 bishop defends the knight.
|Oct-18-03|| ||skakmiv: Alchemist: So you have to remember the position in your head, without a board? |
|Oct-18-03|| ||drukenknight: in this game has anybody tried: 16...Bd6? |
|Oct-19-03|| ||Cyphelium: druken> Slightly tricky, because the obvious 17. Rxe6 fxe6 18. Qxe6+ Kh8 19. Nf7+ Rxf7 20. Qxf7 is nothing special for white. However, instead 17. Rxe6 fxe6 18. Nxe6 wins immediatly, for example 18. -Qc8 19. Nxf8+ Kxf8 20. Qg8+ Ke7 21. Qf7+ Kd8 22. Be6 is dead lost for black. |
|Oct-19-03|| ||drukenknight: Cyph: just when I'm having fun, you have to show up! Say if you have some time on your hands you might want to check out Fischer/Spassky game 18. |
|Jun-04-04|| ||who: was 9...Bxb2 correct? |
|Apr-29-05|| ||Cyphelium: I have to correct my lousy post of oct-03. After <drukenknight's> suggestion 16.- ♗e6!?, 17. ♖xe6? fxe6?? 18. ♕xe6+ ♔h8 is of course immediatly losing: 19. ♕g8+ ♖xg8 20. ♘f7 mate. On the other hand, black can play 17.- ♕xg5 instead, which holds. This means that 16.- ♗e6 is better than the game continuation, although after 17. ♘xe6 fxe6 18. ♖xe6 ♔h8 19. ♕xb7, white seems to have an edge.|
|Apr-29-05|| ||drukenknight: if 16...Be6 can save this game, then shouldnt it get a pure "!"...? |
I mean the guy gave up on move 17 and ...Be6 leads to uncertain. Hmmm...
|Apr-23-06|| ||sneaky pete: Other sources (Botterill, Pálkövi) give the more logical move order 15.Ng5! Bxg5 16.Bxg5 ... when 16... Qc7 17.Qd3 Bd7 18.g4 h6 19.Bf4 .. (Keres) or 16... Be6 17.Rxe6 Qxg5 18.Rxd6 .. (Botterill) or 16... Qd7 17.Rae1 h6 18.Be7 .. (Pálkövi) would still leave white the advantage. Euwe (1938) points out 14... Ne7 when white has no better than a draw by repetition with 15.Qd6 Nf5 etc.|
|Dec-14-08|| ||Karpova: Who had the Black pieces?
Here, Euwe's opponent is Heinz Erwin van Mindeno who was 5 years old in 1927 - did he really play this game?
http://db.mychess.com/ has "Van Mandino" (a player I couldn't find in Gaige's "Chess Personalia") so is this just a typo?
[Event "Amsterdam NED"]
[Site "Amsterdam NED"]
[White "Euwe, Max"]
[Black "Van Mandino"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Nxe4 8.O-O Bxc3 9.d5 Bf6 10.Re1 O-O 11.Rxe4 Ne7 12.d6 cxd6 13.Qxd6 Nf5 14.Qd5 d6 15.Bg5 Bxg5 16.Nxg5 Qxg5 17.Qxf7+ 1-0
|Dec-14-08|| ||sneaky pete: It's S. van Mindeno (I've never been able to find out his first name), a strong club player who qualified for the Dutch championship once or twice (and white played 15.Ng5 .. in this game).|
Long ago, the magazine of the Dutch chess association listed new (personal) members on page 1 of each issue. The June 1919 issue mentions a.o. M. Euwe and E. Straat, both Amsterdam, and G. Filep, Utrecht. The October 1925 issue has S. van Mindeno, Amsterdam, as one the new members.
S. van Mindeno was still active in club competition and small local tournaments after the war; Heinz Erwin van Mindeno (born August 31, 1922) only played competitive chess since 1937. He died in a nazi concentration camp in the fall of 1943.
|Dec-14-08|| ||Karpova: Thank you, <sneaky pete>!|
|Jun-17-18|| ||CheckMateEndsTheGame: Qxf7!!|
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