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Max Euwe vs Siegfried Bernard van Mindeno
ASC Winter (1927), Amsterdam NED, Jan-??
Italian Game: Classical Variation. Greco Gambit Moeller-Therkatz Attack (C54)  ·  1-0
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  jaime gallegos: my first review with the new chess opening explorer, bravo ! :)
Oct-17-03  northernsoul: BY far the easiest puzzle I've seen yet!!
Couldn't agree more, Shirtless
Oct-17-03  JSYantiss: Definitely very easy, but I wouldn't go quite as far as you did, Shirtless....although this is just the type of puzzle I would show someone who is just starting to learn how to play.
Oct-17-03  JSYantiss: Certainly a nice combination......Euwe sacrifices a piece AND his queen to get the full point. Black's blunder was taking his queen off the back rank. By accepting the piece sacrifice, Black allowed his rook to be pinned and the back rank is undefended against 18. Re8#
Oct-17-03  JSYantiss: .....or 17...Kh8 18. Qxf8#
Oct-17-03  DexterGordon: Yeah, I agree, JSYantiss -- this may be easy for most of us here, but a good teaching puzzle.

Shows what can happen when your back rank is undefended and/or your rooks are unconnected.

Also shows the power of the pin if B takes the WQ.

Oct-17-03  masterwojtek: What should white play after 14..g6 instead of 14..d6 ??

can anyone post some "fritz" line to this?

Oct-17-03  mack: A disappointingly easy puzzle today, yeah.
Oct-17-03  ughaibu: Mack: Sorry you were disappointed, here's a puzzle; next move from "ughaibu-NN": 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 c4 3.e4 c5 4.Bc4 Nc6 5.b4 Nb4 7.d4 d4 8.Bg5 Nf6 9.Qb3 e6 10.e5 d3 11.f6 Nc2 12.Kd1 Na1 13.Qb5 Bd7 14.Ne5 a6.......still too easy, ask Drukenknight.
Oct-17-03  Bears092: A few things: In that game, you coulda played Bxf7+, followed by Qb3+ snagging a pawn and making the black king uncomfortable quite a few times.

If I'm not missing anything too big, 15. Bxe6 wins rather easily. Of course, black can't take the bishop or queen, otherwise a piece will drop into f7 with mate. White also threatens a huge invasion on d7. Black has to move the queen, so that d8 is available for the king, while keeping a grip on the d7 square.

In my little sample line here, let's take a look at:

15. Bxe6 Qc7 16. Bxd7+ Kd8 17. fxg7+ f6 18. Bxf6+ Be7 19. fxh8=R mate

any mistakes?

Oct-17-03  ughaibu: Bears092: You're spoiling Mack's fun again, so your turn.
Oct-17-03  mack: Hmm, went offline and all this has happened! Sorry I was so slow! I'll have a look through those now, thanks
Oct-17-03
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  chessgames.com: <disappointingly easy puzzle today> We have members of all different levels. We try to mix up the hard problems with the easy ones. Just wait until tomorrow, I seriously doubt anybody will be calling it 'easy.'
Oct-17-03  Bears092: I'm talking about the game ughaibu posted.
Oct-17-03  rollerblader1324: this is so friggin ez
Oct-17-03  Shadout Mapes: <Just wait until tomorrow, I seriously doubt anybody will be calling it 'easy.'>

Thanks a lot, guys, you really asked for it now.

Oct-17-03  John Doe: How long should I be taking to solve the harder problems? Should I use a board while moving pieces or screen/memory?
Oct-18-03  Alchemist: <John Doe>

Using a board is a good way to get the knack for it, but ultimately you're going to need to work on your visualization, and the best way to do that is to calculate without a board. It might be slow going, but it will improve your chess significantly. Don't worry about how long it takes at first, just keep at it and you'll start to easily recognize and verify the right moves.

Oct-18-03  Bears092: <ughaibu> I put that game thru chessmaster, and 14. Bxe6 is actually a forced mate!

14. Bxe6 Bd6 15. fxg7 Bxe5 16. Bxd7+ Qxd7 17. Qxe5+ Qe6 18. gxh8=Q+ Kd7 19. Qd4+ Kc6 20. Qa4+ b5 21. Qxa8+ Kc5 22. Qa7+ Kc6 23. Q4xa6+ Kd5 24. Qxb5+ Ke4 25. f3 mate

Interestingly enough, if blacks plays Qc7 instead of a6, he has a rather large advantage.

Oct-18-03  drukenknight: Bears seems to have the hot hand today.
Oct-18-03  ughaibu: Bears092: That's how it went, NN resigned on move 17. Interesting that the computer (?) recommends Qc7, I thought Bd6 was the move at that point. I'm not sure that Bf7 (as mentioned in your earlier post) would have been better, more a matter of taste?
Oct-18-03  Bears092: Actually, Bxf7 would be quite bad, now that I have a little more time.

After Qb3+, black could play e6, and the f8 bishop defends the knight.

Oct-18-03  skakmiv: Alchemist: So you have to remember the position in your head, without a board?
Oct-18-03  drukenknight: in this game has anybody tried: 16...Bd6?
Oct-19-03  Cyphelium: druken> Slightly tricky, because the obvious 17. Rxe6 fxe6 18. Qxe6+ Kh8 19. Nf7+ Rxf7 20. Qxf7 is nothing special for white. However, instead 17. Rxe6 fxe6 18. Nxe6 wins immediatly, for example 18. -Qc8 19. Nxf8+ Kxf8 20. Qg8+ Ke7 21. Qf7+ Kd8 22. Be6 is dead lost for black.
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