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Reuben Fine vs George Alan Thomas
Hastings (1935/36), Hastings ENG, rd 5, Dec-31
Queen's Gambit Declined: Orthodox Defense. Main Line (D63)  ·  1-0


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Nov-20-07  AlfieNoakes: I spent a lot of time at first trying to find a knight fork for the king and queen. Only when I'd ehausted that did I look at the discovered attack on the queen with the mate threat and it rang true.
Nov-20-07  Andre Conde: Found this one much easier than monday´s
Nov-20-07  Terry McCracken: Instead of the dreadful 27..b6?? it appears Black holds after 27..Nce7, of course we would have been deprived of this little gem;)
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  moronovich: Not seldom this theme occurs in "everyday" chess.
Nov-20-07  addiction to chess: Blacks only move to stop checkmate is Kf8 then white will check with Qxg7+ then black will have no choice but Ke8 then white will checkmate with Qg8#
Nov-20-07  addiction to chess: Black can also do g6 or g5 but white will make a discovered attack with the horse and its check so black is eventually going to lose
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  DarthStapler: I can never solve the puzzles that begin with these quiet moves
Nov-20-07  znprdx:

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This is one of those I-wish-I'd-sat-on-my-hands touch-piece-move-it positions. The impulsive 28.Nf6+ Nx[N]f6 29.e5x[N]f6 is countered by Ne7! (as pointed out by <Willfly>)the only caveat....Hopefully however after throwing away a crushing victory: 28.Nx[N]e7+ stills wins since Kh7 is pretty well forced. In other words when it is lost it is lost:) I figure in Blitz the odds would be 50-50 about the same as not finding the devastatingly quiet Qg4!

Nov-20-07  zb2cr: Initially, I was trying 28. Nf6+. However, after about 45 seconds of thought, I was unable to see a promising followup after 28. ... Nxf6.

So I went back to the beginning, and this time I noted that the Black Queen was loose. This suggested a differnt methid of attack, lining up behind the Knight for a discovered attack. 28. Qg4! bluffs a mate and threatens the Queen with discovered attack. Black has no move to avoid loss of material. , e.g. 28. ... f6; 29. Nxh6+. The consequences of the King flight 28. ... Kf8 have been pointed out by <notyetagm>.

Nov-20-07  Jack Kerouac: A Fine move.'At the height of his powers.'
Nov-20-07  alshatranji: What's the point of 20.g3?
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  whiteshark: <Gilmoy> Enjoyed your <Notes on the rest of the game>

Best silicon-aided line after <16. Rfd1>

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is < 16...Bd7 17.a3 c5 18.Nf5 Bxf5 19.exf5 Rxd1+ 20.Rxd1>

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Nov-20-07  zanshin: <alshatranji: What's the point of 20.g3?>

Good question. Here is an eval at this move. Notice how the numbers drop after the move is played. Notice also that Black may not have played the best move.

1: Reuben Fine - George Alan Thomas, Hastings 1935

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Analysis by Fritz 10 (18-ply):

1. (0.30): 20.Qe3 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Re8 22.b3 h6 23.Re1 Rd8 24.e5 Nfd7 25.Qf4 Nc5 26.Qf5 g6 27.Qc2

2. (0.27): 20.e5 Nfd7 21.Rd4 Nf8 22.Re4 Ng6 23.Re1 Nd5 24.Qc4 Nb6 25.Qb3 Rd3 26.e6 f5

3. = (0.25): 20.b3 Re8 21.Rd4 Rad8 22.Rcd1 Rxd4 23.Rxd4 c5 24.Rd1 Nfd7 25.Nd5 Nxd5 26.Rxd5 Nf6

4. = (0.24): 20.Rxd8+ Rxd8 21.Rd1 Re8 22.Qd3 Nfd7 23.b3 h6 24.Qe3 Nf6 25.Re1 Rd8 26.e5 Nfd7 27.Qe2 Qe6

5. = (0.23): 20.Re1 Nfd7 21.e5 Nc5 22.Rcd1 Rxd1 23.Qxd1 Rd8 24.Qc2 Nc4 25.Ne4 Nd3

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Analysis by Fritz 10 (18-ply):

1. = (0.00): 20...Re8 21.Rd4 Rad8 22.Rcd1 Rxd4 23.Nxd4 Qc5 24.Qf3 Nc4 25.Qe2 Nb6

2. = (0.09): 20...Rab8 21.Nd4 Re8 22.f3 g6 23.Qe3 Nc4 24.Qf2 Rbd8 25.b3 Nb6 26.Nde2

3. = (0.15): 20...Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Re8 22.Kg2 Qb4 23.Rd4 Qe7 24.e5 Nfd7 25.Re4 c5 26.Qd1 h6 27.Qb3

4. = (0.16): 20...h6 21.Nd4 Re8 22.Nf5 Qe6 23.f3 Nfd5 24.Qe1 Ne7 25.Rd6

5. = (0.18): 20...Rd7 21.Rxd7 Qxd7 22.Kg2 Qe7 23.Rd1 Re8 24.Nd4 Qc7 25.f3 Nbd5 26.Qd2 Ne7

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  kevin86: It looked to me loke a knight move would do the trick-but I couldn't find one. Then I saw the key: Qg4 which threatens mate as well as a veiled attack on the queen. It's funny,but no knight move can defend the queen. The only real moves to stop the mate are:

28...f6 29 ♘h6+ wins the queen or

28...♔f8 29 ♕xg7+ ♔e8 30 ♕g8#-the queen blocks the king's escape

Nov-20-07  SAINTAMANT: Like Whitebeach l spent a lot of time looking for the subtle move to paralise Black. The sledgehammer Qg4 gives Black complete cardic failure!!! An excellent problem!!!
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  HFlew: Qg4 is a very lovely move!
Nov-20-07  SAINTAMANT: The discovered check on the Black Queen (2) the Black King's flight to Kf8 results in checkmate in 2. Black's pawn thrust to g5 gives more time but not encouragement due to strong K pawn. Black's position is difficult to maintain
Nov-20-07  NakoSonorense: Nf6+ was the first move that caught my attention. But seeing that it does not lead to an immediate checkmate, I looked for another move: Qg4! Nice.
Nov-20-07  goldenbear: <MostlyAverageJoe> Qf5 is not a legal move in that position, while Qe6 should lose to Qxe6 fxe6 Nd6 Ne7 f4, and the three connected passed pawns and a monstrous knight at d6 are stronger than the piece.
Nov-20-07  dabearsrock1010: i didn't get even close :(
Nov-20-07  alphee: It was relatively simple and I completly missed it. How can one be so blind: did not even notice the possible queen move.
Nov-20-07  Fezzik: If the problem is simply "white to move and win", then there are many solutions. There are three interesting moves that are either clever or simply win on the spot.

28.Nf6?! (the main problem with this is that Black isn't forced to take the N and can drag out the game forever)

28.Qh6??!! (White sacs the Q and gains a pawn in a complicated endgame. There has to be something better than that.) 28.Qg4! (The most boring and the most effective of the three.) As soon as I saw 28.Qg4 I stopped looking at the various endgame possibilities.

Nov-20-07  TrueBlue: quite difficult for a Tuesday, wasn't close to getting it an still don't see all the variations :(
Nov-20-07  jperr75108: definitely tricky for tuesday
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  Gilmoy: See also J L Arnason vs A Planinc, 1979, 17..Nc6?? 18.Qg4:

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