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Reuben Fine vs Andrew Rowland Benedick Thomas
"Fine and Andy" (game of the day Aug-29-2017)
Hastings (1937/38), Hastings ENG, rd 8, Jan-05
English Opening: King's English. Nimzowitsch Variation General (A20)  ·  1-0
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Apr-14-15
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  Karne: Fine is one of the finest men to ever push a piece with an interior made solely out of wood.
Apr-14-15
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  offramp: Right, Mr Karne!
Apr-14-15
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  offramp: <moronovich: <MSteen> White threatens Bb6+ followed by Nc7+ and NxRa8.Black is lacking hopelessly in development,cant even go 0-0 because of Ne7...>

There is one other good reason black can't play ...0-0.

Apr-14-15
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  moronovich: < offramp: <moronovich: <MSteen> White threatens Bb6+ followed by Nc7+ and NxRa8.Black is lacking hopelessly in development,cant even go 0-0 because of Ne7...> There is one other good reason black can't play ...0-0.>

Ooops,you got me there ;)

Shame on you moro.

Aug-29-17  Tacitus: Black's plan of Qe7, Qb4 & Qc4 deserved the result received.
Aug-29-17
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  FSR: Ridiculous play by Black.
Aug-29-17  kungfufighter888: the black queen moves all over the board
Aug-29-17
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  thegoodanarchist: How can crap like this become GOTD when we have excellent, WC-level games that have never been GOTD?

Like this one:

Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1978

The Return of Dr. Zukhar!

Aug-29-17
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  thegoodanarchist: Or this one:

Botvinnik vs Reshevsky, 1948

Chess Bot!

Aug-29-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <thegoodanarchist: How can crap like this become GOTD when we have excellent, WC-level games that have never been GOTD?>

All crap is flush with the WC level

Aug-29-17
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  offramp: <Tacitus: Black's plan of Qe7, Qb4 & Qc4 deserved the result received.>

That is true. But if he had played in the Scotch (4...Qh4) style, and played 8...Kd8, he might have got away with it. A move like 8...Nb8 is a shocker, a surrender.

Wrong, Mr Thomas!

Aug-29-17
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  RookFile: Fine would have crushed 4....Qh4. The guy was extremely strong in the openings and would have something already ready for it.
Aug-29-17
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  offramp: I'm talking about 4...Qh4 in the Scotch.
Aug-29-17  Olsonist: What a mediocre game.
Aug-29-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <Offramp: Tacitus: Black's plan of Qe7, Qb4 & Qc4 deserved the result received.>

<That is true. But if he had played in the Scotch (4...Qh4) style, and played 8...Kd8, he might have got away with it. A move like 8...Nb8 is a shocker, a surrender.>

4...Qh4 in the Scotch is a gambit followed by 5. Nb5, right? I use to play that a lot in the Scotch but here c4 has been played, although I'm not quite sure what difference that makes. Black can't play 5...Qxc4 because of Nxf2+, of course, and white's DSB is liberated instead of his LSB. What diabolical plans did you have in mind?

Aug-29-17
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  saffuna: After 12 moves black has no pieces or pawns developed except the queen, which is more a target than a weapon.
Aug-29-17
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  Domdaniel: A very strange game. Is it mediocre? Yes, probably. But it's strange before it's mediocre.
Aug-29-17  petemccabe: My theory is that Thomas fell asleep just after the game started and woke up at move 20. He of course resigned. Otherwise he could have resigned several moves earlier.

I'm not sure why Fine didn't play 11 Nxa8. He doesn't seem to have gone directly to something better.

Aug-29-17
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  RookFile: I used to play that Scotch Gambit. Up to a certain point in the class level, black tends to win because white doesn't know what to do. Against a guy like Fine, super GM strength, it's a terrible idea.
Aug-29-17  wtpy: I see this game as a cautionary tale with the moral that one shouldn't try to win pawns at the expense of development, a lesson I am sure everyone at this site has already learned.
Aug-29-17
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  ChessHigherCat: <wtpy: I see this game as a cautionary tale with the moral that one shouldn't try to win pawns at the expense of development, a lesson I am sure everyone at this site has already learned.>

That's easy to say but yesterday I was playing Guess the Move (Gashimov vs. somebody or other) and I lost points for not taking the stupid poisoned pawn in a Sicilian. Not my style but black won with it.

Aug-29-17  Grbasowski: 21. Nb6
Aug-30-17
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  offramp: If Black had known the 4...Qh4 Scotch he would not have played 8...Nc6-b8. He would have played 8...Kd8, which is standard in the Scotch and which would have kept the game level.
Aug-30-17
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  kevin86: Another fine mess you got me into.
Sep-02-17
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  Domdaniel: As I said, very strange. But Black's play with ...Qe7-b4 is just ghastly. He deserved to be crushed. The strange aspect of the game is that Fine didn't accomplish it more quickly.
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