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|Jun-30-05|| ||paul dorion: This variation was invented ,I think , Pillsbury who used it twice against Lasker.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||DanRoss53: I was thinking 8. xd5 xd5 9. xd8 b4+ 10. c3 xc3 11. bxc3 xc3+ 12. d2 xd2+ 13. xd2 xd8, which would give Black a decisive advantage...the problem being, of course, that 11. bxc3?? is a terrible move. After 11. b3!, White will prevail.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||paul dorion: Pillsbury played 6 Qxd4|
|Jun-30-05|| ||paul dorion: <erimiro1> After 8 Nf3 d4 9 Nd5 Be7 black looks good (10 Nxe5 Nxd5 wins a piece , 11 cxd5 Bxg5 or 11 Bxe7 Nd5xe7)|
|Jun-30-05|| ||who: Wow, I totally missed this one. I kept thinking why not 9...Qxd1+ (I started looking at the moves with Bxf6 so I didn't recognize the check). I only realized that was illegal after putting the position into Fritz and trying to trade queens. :( I guess I need to go back to easier puzzles - black to make a legal move puzzles.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Shokwave: I missed this...I thought NxN worked, but it fails miserably...that's what I get for being to quick.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||erimiro1: <paul dorion> You are right. Tnks.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Knight13: GM Fine fell into an opening trap!? That's embarrasing!|
|Jun-30-05|| ||RookFile: Although white is winning, my expectation would be that Fine would
play on for while. By playing 13. cxb5, he does get 2 pawns for the piece. With correct play, Black wins,
of course, but maybe white can set a few traps along the way.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||philidor1: A little epilogue to complement Mislav's entertaining story behind the game (thanks, Mislav!): the sadistic Krilenko became one of the former Soviet Union's most feared prosecutors, and was himself later imprisoned (and ultimately executed) upon Stalin's personal orders.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Dinobird: For a while I got stuck on 8... Nxd5 9. Bxd8 Nxc3 10. Qc2 Ne4+ 11. Kd1 Nxf2+ 12. Kc1 Kxd8 and black has three pieces and a pawn for the queen. The question is: what do you think will be stronger in this position, the queen or the three pieces? It is interesting to note that in this position white does not have one piece developed (well perhaps the queen, although c2 isn't the best square for it...), and will have to waste a move in moving the rook.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||kevin86: I played this a little out of order,but it seems to work: |
8...xd5 9 xd8 b4+ 10 d2 xd2+ 11 xd2 axb5-same result,right?
|Jun-30-05|| ||tpstar: <kevin86> jahhaj pointed out the hole in that line = 10. Nc3 and White wins.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Swapmeet: It was perfectly reasonable for white to resign this position. Sure he can play cxb but I don't think he'll hold two pawns (which wouldn't even be compensation for a piece). And black's ruined pawn structure means nothing, in fact its advantageous to him since he has open files for both his rooks.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||aw1988: Using psychological tricks against Fine is a brilliant idea.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||aragorn69: <Mislav> What is the source of your quotation, please ? And could you trace the missing moves - since you say <Fine didn't resign immidiately as it's said here. He played on, but Yudovich won very soon.>|
|Jun-30-05|| ||kevin86: <tpstar> of course-black must eliminate both knights to execute hs lethal check at b4.|
|Jun-30-05|| ||sfm: <kevin86:.. 8..,Nxd5 .. same result, right ?> That was also my first idea, but white can play 10.b5-d3, and that is bad news for black!|
|Jun-30-05|| ||sfm: Cute! White thinks black, by playing 7.-,a6, has overlooked the little neat combination 8.xd5,axb5 9.xf6+,gxf6 10.x+ and 11.xf6+ and white wins.|
Reminds me of Marschall's answer when someone once asked him how far you needed to be able to calculate ahead in chess. The answer was "Only one move - one move further than your opponent..."
|Jun-30-05|| ||piteira8: Soviet chess feed on the blood of innocent people:
Lenin appointed Krylenko as head of the commissariat of justice once the Bolsheviks had surrendered to the Germans. When the Cheka unleashed the red terror later that year, Krylenko declared: "We must execute not only the guilty. Execution of the innocent will impress the masses even more."
"We must finish once and for all with the neutrality of chess. We must condemn once and for all the formula 'chess for the sake of chess,' like the formula 'art for art's sake.' We must organize shock-brigades of chess players, and begin the immediate realization of a Five-Year Plan for
chess." Nikolai V. Krylenko, People's Commissar for Justice (of RFSFR, later of USSR), speaking at a 1932 Congress of Chess Players, as quoted in Boris Souvarine's "Stalin," published London, 1939.
|Jun-30-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I looked at everything except axb5!! I also examined 8. ... Qxd5 but then 9 Nc7+ and 8. Nxd5 which I thought was a win.
Of course as soon as I saw 8 axb5 I saw it was a win - |
<Yudovich> is in and co-wrote "The Soviet School of Chess" with Kotov: he was a master - I see many games in the EC0 etc where analyis - often very good - is done by him/ and or his games are there - I have known about him since about 1963. He was a journalist "..born in 1911 ..he played in the finals of the USSR Championships of 1931,1933, 1934,1939 and 1947." from :The S. Sc. of C" He was in third equal place in 1931.
|Jun-30-05|| ||Richard Taylor: Actually I think 8....N:d5 also wins|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <dan Ross53> hmm I overlooked 11 Qb3 os the obvious axb5 is the move - I looked at all the "wild" moves first - Reindfeld said in 'Winning Chess' "examine every check and capture" I examined only "most checks and captures" everything except axb5!!|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <Lenin appointed Krylenko as head of the commissariat of justice once the Bolsheviks had surrendered to the Germans. When the Cheka unleashed the red terror later that year, Krylenko declared: "We must execute not only the guilty. Execution of the innocent will impress the masses even more."> this sounds like someone has done some creative history work (the CIA employ people who write "histories" which distort things to make "communism" or any thing (often anything like democracy or national idependence sound like terrorism) (of course the USSR was invaded soon after becoming a socialist state and there were counter revolutions and power strugggles (and agent provocateurs at work and saboteurs) - Krylenko may have needed to rid the country of a few "bad eggs" - the Soviet Union had to build quickly to survive leading up to 1939 and the and was then ready to counter attack Nazi Germany (and in general the Western powers were hostile to a peoples' government). Of course the Bolshevks were not paragons..but this attack on Russia is initiated by a single game by Yudovich!!?? Millions of Russian lost there lives fighting for or in the cross fire in the war against fascism. Millions more than the allies -in fact they were the West's ally in WW2 - this seems an unpleasant attack on the Soviet Union - the Soviet School of Chess produced many many great chess players -most of them of a greater moral and human calibre (and probably mostly as good as) (Fischer) -as an example of something produced by the USA (the West)|
|Jun-30-05|| ||Richard Taylor: <Dino bird> you missed Qxb3 - but I dint even see Nc3 as a defence...see what <danRoss>says above...|
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