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Robert James Fischer vs Reuben Fine
"A Fine Line" (game of the day Jun-13-2009)
New York (USA) (1963), New York, NY USA, Mar-??
Italian Game: Evans Gambit. Compromised Defense (C52)  ·  1-0


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Oct-13-14  ljfyffe: Frankly....that should be frank..
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  Capacorn: <Nicocobas: I was stunned when I read in the NY Times that today's chess column is the last! That column was an institution. Does anyone know the reason?>

Sad news. I hadn't looked at the column since Robert Byrne was at the helm. What adds insult to injury is the fine print at the end of the final column. No explanation, no words to commemorate the event, no nothing. This column, which was, as you rightfully pointed out, an institution, went out with nary a whimper.

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  Petrosianic: <Sad news. I hadn't looked at the column since Robert Byrne was at the helm.>

If it's going away, you're probably not the only one.

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  Capacorn: <Petrosianic: If it's going away, you're probably not the only one.>

A drop in popularity may well be the reason for the column's demise, but I doubt Robert's version accounted for that many views anyway. In today's world, it's no surprise that the chess column got the axe. But it's sad enough this longtime feature of the NY Times went the way of the Dodo; its sadder still that it was so summarily dismissed.

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  Petrosianic: It may be just be a problem with the way the internet age has affected newspapers in general. Fewer people go there for their news. It's still a shame, though. What year was the column established? (I'm assuming I.A. Horowitz was the one who established it).
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  zanzibar: The Boston Globe still runs a chess column at least twice a week (Mondays and Saturdays).

Good thing it got spun off from NYTimes ownership then.

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  zanzibar: I agree with <capacorn> - the notice of the column's discontinuation was the very definition of perfunctory.
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  perfidious: <zanzibar> Who is writing for the Globe column nowadays, and when did it become a twice-weekly feature as opposed to every Sunday?
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  zanzibar: <perfid> Many years ago now, can't even remember. About the same time the weekly calendar section starting coming out daily.

Dondis still does it, with Chris Chase doing the analysis (having replaced Wolff).

The online version seems to suggest it's just a weekly column:

but really Saturday is usually a piece with an entire game analyzed by Chase, and Monday a written column by Dondis about news/gossip (w minature, probably picked by Dondis(?)).

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  zanzibar: For those who don't know Dondis:

He can claim a win against Fischer (not many can do that):

Fischer vs H Dondis, 1964

Harold Dondis

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  zanzibar: Another chess-playing lawyer:

<<"When people don't have anything to do, they become lawyers,"> he jokes, adding that he's spent his entire career practicing at the Boston firm known today as Rich May.>

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  Capacorn: <zanzibar: Dondis still does it, with Chris Chase doing the analysis (having replaced Wolff).>

Wow. Harold turned 92 only a few days ago. He's an inspiration!

Thanks for the links, <zanzibar>. The interview with Dondis was pretty cool. It's great to know that the Globe's chess column had enough vocal followers to have it reinstated, and even expanded! Let's see if the Times decision ruffles any feathers.

Oct-13-14  ljfyffe: How come sharks don't attack lawyers?
Professional courtesy!
Oct-14-14  ljfyffe: <Capacorn> The Times They Are A-Changing
Dec-03-14  1d410: With the dawn of the computer age no one besides me and a few others want to do board games anymore.
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  SteinitzLives: Board Games, due to being played somewhat slower than online or software based games, I find to be much more sociable and fun since we are all looking at the same board.

I find people are drawn closer to each other because they are actually at the same table, eating, drinking and playing.

Don't worry, board games will be around for a while because they inspire more real human togetherness in-the-flesh social fun than the electronic stuff.

Apr-08-15  A.T PhoneHome: This is an amazing game by Fischer... I like the pun too!

I interpret it as in "There is a fine line between ...Qxg3/...Bxg7 and ...Qe7." While all three lead to mate, ...Qe7 prolongs it for a bit, this being "the fine line" or as in this case, "A Fine Line".

Jun-16-15  Besheer: As if he decided Hoe he is winning from the first move !!!
May-22-16  yiotta: Fischer, the incarnation of Morphy.
May-22-16  kupton: Fine's all time winning % is 70.0 and Fischer attained 72.2 Not bad for Reuben at all. In fact, very fine.
May-22-16  RookFile: Fine was a much stronger player than this. He didn't know when to stay retired. This game looks like Morphy vs. Amateur.
Jul-31-16  j4jishnu: Ruy Lopez didn't go fine enough for Mr. Fine. His amateurish display must be because of Fischer's presence.
Feb-22-17  Jimmy720: memorize
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  PawnSac: < A.T PhoneHome: This is an amazing game by Fischer... I like the pun too! >

"A Fine crush" also works. And yes... a wonderful miniature

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  tpstar: <7...dxc3 ("The Comprimised Defense") is considered rather dubious as white usually gets an advantage with so many extra moves. 8...Qe7 is inferior to 8...Qf6 because a knight can go to d5 and disrupt black's army, also with threats of white playing Re1 if the black bishop moves. e7 is the best square for the knight in this opening, so the king can castle despite Ba3 or any other threats.>

It is rather amazing that after 7 ... dxc3 Black is three Pawns up (!) yet the database results strongly favor White.

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<I can't help but discount Reshevsky's comments. He always struck me as quite jealous of his rivals--the erstwhile wunderkind forever petulant that he was eventually outdistanced. He made similar grudging comments about Fischer that reek of the faded beauty cattily sniping at the younger, prettier starlet. Certainly there's nothing in the Fine-Reshevsky record that would suggest a reason for arrogance on Sammy's part.>

Agree, yet the all-time greats certainly have private experiences and interactions which may affect their outlook and attitude that mere mortal outsiders would never learn.

<This really does not look like GM vs. GM chess. Black is horribly behind in development with his king uncastled and under assault. None of black's three active pieces support each other in any way or are even defended! Meanwhile white has a bishop on the a1 h8 diagonal and a rook dominating the open E file. (Black does have two extra pawns, which is nice because he can hold them and fidget with them hopelessly while he waits for Bobby to put him out of his misery.) You'd think Fischer got to this position in a simul against a C player, but this is against Reuben Fine! LOL.>

Fine was clearly unhappy that this offhand loss was published in a high profile book like MSMG.

<Fine calls himself "one of the two leading American chess masters of the twentieth century"?! Give me a break. How many U.S. Championships did Fine win, again? Zero. Fine was a fine player (bad pun intended), and probably has a better score against world champions than any other non-world champion (I think +1 against each of Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine, and Botvinnik). His tie for first at AVRO 1938 with Keres (but Keres won on tiebreak) ahead of Alekhine, Botvinnik, Capablanca, Reshevsky, Euwe and Flohr was his shining moment, but he barely played chess after that. He declined his invitation to the 1948 World Championship Match-Tournament to study psychiatry. Fine almost invariably finished behind Reshevsky, who won all those U.S. Championships ahead of Fine, and Reshevsky's career was many decades longer.>

"Reuben Fine's decision to quit chess and concentrate on psychology was a loss to both professions"

<the loss is bad enough, why do people keep reubin it in?>

Fisch fry.

<Let's not forget that Reuben Fine had not played serious chess for about 15 years, he had become a psychoanalyst who wrote bad books and entered five, count'em five marriages, all ending in divorce, so he was a little too busy for chess. These were casual games played in Fines' home where he hosted Fischer probably out of chess and professional curiosity more than any thing else, and since Fischer did not know how to do anything except play chess, that is what he did against a hopelessly off-form and out of practice Fine.>

5 marriages and 5 divorces - I did not know that.

<In fact, there's a story about that tournament, that I believe is true. Fine's dropping out came so late that the Soviets were afraid he might change his mind and play after all. When Reshevsky arrived at his hotel to play, one of the Soviet delegation asked him "Who are you?" At least that's what he MEANT to ask. Since his English wasn't so good, he actually asked "HOW are you?" Reshevsky said "Fine", and the guy ran back to tell everyone that Fine had showed up after all.>


<This is without doubt one of the worst chess books ever written .... Reuben Fine, a World Championship contender and the author of some excellent books in the past, has no excuse for such a dog. Offering an analysis of all the games from the Spassky - Fischer match, he also presents a psychological insight into the minds of both protagonists. He fails badly in each of these objectives.>

Jeremy Silman on Fine's book.

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