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| Jun-18-10 | | pampy: Why this game is called "I Don't Believe in Dragons"? |
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| Jun-18-10 | | s4life: "how NOT to train your dragon" would have been a good pun too :) |
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Jun-18-10
 | | chrisowen: Keeping h1 castle held hafts the knight h5 and sharp edge swing towards white as steed gobbled. Once utop the fire breathing bishop choked out in c3 then sacrifice throwing chop Nxf4 white lands death blow Qf3. Neck off fit majesty holds Nh5 Rxh5 gxh5 Qxh5 prize is mated file. It preyed on standard rituals sac sac shah mat! |
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| Jun-18-10 | | newzild: < Once:
All this aside, Fischer had a lovely way of making the dragon seem like suicide.> Apart from this classic:
Fischer vs C Munoz, 1960 |
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| Jun-18-10 | | Eyal: <Atking: My impression seeing the video is Kasparov acted more on psychological purpose saying Gligoric was surpised but him, he will not. On suggested 14...Qb6 15.Qd2 Qc5 16.f4 is now more logical then 16...b5 (16...h5?! 17.Nf3 Bh6 18.e5! dxe 19.Nxe5 QxN 20.fxQ BxQ+ 21.RxB Ng4 22.Bxf7+ Lovely LSB...) 17.e5! dxe 18.fxe Qxe5 19.Nf3 Qc7 20.Rhe1 is embarrassing e.g 20...b4 21.Ne4 NxN 22.RxN a5 23.Rc4 Qd8 24.RxR QxR 25.Qd5 e6 26.Qxa5 White is better.> Instead of 22…a5? Black should play in this line 22…Bc6! Followed by 0-0 and he seems to stand very well; another option which looks good for Black a few moves earlier is 17...b4 (18.Na4 Qa5). Btw, Fischer actually ran into (the beginning of) this plan a year later in Fischer vs L Marini, 1960, but there instead of following with 16...b5, Marini immediately went wrong with the h5 & Bh6 idea, which was indeed refuted by 18.e5! |
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| Jun-18-10 | | Eyal: <Julian713: <After 47 years a piece of chess software called Rybka, the strongest commercial chess software today, spotted this move [23.Rxh5!!] overlooked by Fischer, all GM commentators, including Kasparov, who only gave the alternative 23. f5!?> And why, exactly, is this such a big deal, considering that Fischer plays the move just two turns later? With the same result??> Because the next moves up to 26.Rxh5 aren’t forced – instead of the suicidal 23…Bxc3? which parts with the main defender of the black king, Gligoric could have defended much better; best is probably <23…Bb5!> To break up the linkage of the knights at c3 and e2, which cements together White’s position, and exchange queens. For example (to quote Kasparov’s analysis, which builds on Hubner’s): 24.Nxb5 (24.Qxd6 Qxd6 25.Rxd6 Bxc3 26.Nxc3 Nxf4) 24...Qxb5 25.Qxb5 (25.c4? Rxc4 26.f5 Qe5 27.f6 Rxe4 28.Nc3 Re3) 25...Rxb5 26.Rxd6 (better might be 26.c3! Rd8 27.Kc2 Rc5 28.Rdf1 and White retains some initiative thanks to the greater potential of his bishop) Rb4 27.c4 b5 28.cxb5 Rxe4 29.Nc3 Rb4 and Black is close to equality. |
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Jun-18-10
 | | HeMateMe: As an alternate 'pun' might I suggest "a pet patented sacrifice". In M60MG, Fischer talks about the RxN sac on the h file in dragon sicilians, and says "I've made this sacrifice so many times, I should take out a patent on it". |
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| Jun-19-10 | | Once: <newzild> Many thanks - a fascinating game. |
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| Jun-19-10 | | David2009: Entertaining game, two questions: 
click for larger view White (Fischer) to move 27? (A) How does White win after 27 Qxh5!? Ra5! (freeing the b6-d4-e3 diagonal for the Q to defend) ? (B) Can Black draw after 27 Rf1 instead of Qxh5, e.g. 27...Be8 28 Bxe6 ? On-line Crafty link for winning practice: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... |
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| Jul-28-10 | | tentsewang: 20. Rxh5!! was Fischer's recommendation, He said once that if you were to play dragon sicilian against Sozen variation then, he's made you easily and with no worry. |
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Jul-31-11
 | | plang: The system 6..Bd7 intending to reach a form of the Dragon dates back to pre WW1; 6..g6? at once is bad after 7 Nxc6..bxc 8 e5 (8..dxe? 9 Bxf7+). 8..Na5? was a waste of time; 8..Nxd4 or 8..Bg7 are better. The tournament book suggests 10..Rc8 as a more consistent continuation. After 15..Qa5 Gligoric said he overrated his position expecting 16 Nd5?! forgetting about the threat of the pawn attack. Hubner thought that 17..Rc6? was a mistake recommending 17..Ne8 18 f4..Qc5 19 Qxc5..Rxc5 with equality. One variation that shows the value of 21 Kb1; if 21 f5?..exf 22 Nd5..Qxa2!. |
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| Aug-29-12 | | TheFocus: This is game 13 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>. |
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| Sep-13-12 | | Anderssen99: Isn,t 29.g6!! even stronger than 29.bxc3 (The move Fischer played)? |
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| Nov-12-13 | | zydeco: 14....h5 looks very strong for black.
I get the feeling that some of Fischer's opponents around this time found it hard to avoid underestimating him (probably because they weren't used to encountering a teenager in an international tournament). Gligoric sees 13.Qe2, decides that it must be a strategic mistake (white's dark-squared bishop was considered more important in this variation) and seems to think that he can win as he pleases -- and doesn't appreciate that the bishop on b3 takes all the sting out of black's attack. Keres similarly overestimates his position in round one. |
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| Dec-29-13 | | thegoodanarchist: I think the pun is because Gligoric had a Dragon formation and Bobby ripped it apart. |
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| Dec-29-13 | | ChemMac: <David2009> 27 Qxh5! Ra5! 28.e5! This simultaneously blocks the a5 R, threatening g6, and the d4-h8 diagonal, threatening Rh1. Black cannot stop both. |
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Dec-29-13
 | | Penguincw: Anything wrong with 32.Bxe6+? |
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| Oct-12-16 | | Dave12: <Penguincw: Anything wrong with 32.Bxe6+?>
well, it is not +, it's # |
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| Oct-12-16 | | RookFile: See page 1 of the thread for discussion regarding 32. Bxe6+ Bf7, and white mates. |
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| Mar-13-19 | | renrod00157: Why not this: 32. Bxe6+ Bf7, 33. Qh7+ Kf8, 34. Qxf7# This was already discussed By Eric Xanthus (on Dec-03-05). See page #1 of the comments feed. |
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| Mar-17-23 | | andrea volponi: 23 f5! exf5-Rxh5 gxh5-Qxh5 Be6-Bxe6 fxe6-Qg6!!+-. |
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| Aug-24-23 | | N.O.F. NAJDORF: <Once: Returning to the "is there a quicker finish" argument, Fritzie says that 32. Bxe6+ is mate in 3 and that 32. Qh7+ is mate in 5.> Having read the earlier comments, I was about to make the same point myself, but then noticed that you had beaten me to it by 13 years. It is precisely because of that obvious forced mate in three that I wonder why black did not play 31...Rxb3+ 32. axb3 Qd4
although white would still win in as in the game with 33. Qh7+ Kf8 34. Rf1+ |
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| Aug-24-23 | | RookFile: Let's put the over/under at 3 years before somebody asks about 32. Bxe6+ again. |
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Aug-25-23
 | | keypusher: Hey, why not 32.Bxe6+??
The funny thing is that for a second I thought the follow up was Qh8, which would have been highly embarrassing. And it is nice to see you, RookFile. |
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| Jul-31-24 | | andrea volponi: 16...h5!?-g5 Ne8 -f4(Nd5!?=)e5! =. |
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