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|Jun-17-11|| ||DrMAL: Funny thing is that move 22 was not at all decisive, it was Fischer's much bigger mistake on move 24!|
On move 22, Rybka 4.1 evaluates (Rae1 can get perpetual):
[+0.00] d=18 22.Rae1 Kd8 23.Rxe7 Bxe7 (0:11:04) 107755kN
[-0.61] d=18 22.Qc6+ Rd7 23.Rae1+ Be7 (0:14:26) 142785kN
Whereas on move 24, the evaluation is (lines also truncated):
[-0.61] d=18 24.Qf6 Kd8 25.Qxf7 Re8 (0:21:34) 177060kN
[-1.53] d=18 24.Rxf7 Kxf7 25.Qe6+ Kf8 (0:22:53) 189544kN
Back then stories could be made even more amusing by embellishing move evaluations.
|Jun-17-11|| ||Ratt Boy: <ChessYouGood: Fischer is out of his depth against a much stronger player.>|
Years later, Tal said "That was when Tal was Tal. But Fischer was not yet Fischer."
|Jun-18-11|| ||DrMAL: Tal was very modest. By 1961 Tal was no longer Tal, his health was bad. He rematch with Botvinnik showed this.|
|Oct-01-11|| ||SChesshevsky: I'm wondering if Fischer would've had a much better chance of winning a position like after 14...exf5 or 16...Qxc8 later in his career say 1966 or 70?|
Reading in My 60 MG's it does seem he regrets not taking more positional care with his weaknesses on g2, a4, the diagonal a8-h1 and a probable tempo loss with the K on g1. He specifically mentions moves like 15.Bf3 and 17.c3.
By taking more positional care can White get to an endgame where he can take advantage of his Qside pawn majority and Black's isolated pawns?
|Nov-09-11|| ||DrMAL: <SChesshevsky> Interesting question. Actually, 15.Bxf5 computes as strongest move with 15.Bf3 second, advantage white for both but far from decisive. 17.Bf4 was mistake as Fischer acknowledged but here 17.Rf2 computes as best with 17.c3 close second, smaller advantage white (than on move 15) even further from decisive.|
Fischer ego was colossal and his analysis in book tends to feed into this, I guess he never imagined computers being able to easily expose motivation behind his conjectures. 18.Qf3 offering Q trade or sac was good idea to try for something but Tal's play during next few moves made it backfire, pressure was back on Fischer to not lose from it.
And Fischer immediately started to go wrong with 22.Qc6+ instead of positional move 22.Rae1 but he corrected himself next move, showing he was mortal like the rest of us. Attack gave nothing but small advantage to Tal who had played perfectly. When this became apparent, 24.Rxf7? was reckless nosedive against soon to be WC Tal, nice try kid but come back next year LOL.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TAL!
|Nov-29-11|| ||Mimchi1: 52 ... b2! is a beautiful move.|
|Mar-10-12|| ||keithbc: Kingscrusher - a good video but you still did not look at the 'obvious' Bxe7 (rook) why is no-one able to look at this move which wins the exchange?????|
|Jun-23-12|| ||talisman: well... let's quote Bobby...18...xa4..."Such a surprise that I didn't dare believe my eyes! Tal finds an ispired defence!"|
|Jun-23-12|| ||RookFile: This Tal guy was pretty good!|
|Jun-23-12|| ||talisman: <RookFile> you right buddy!|
|Aug-18-12|| ||Snehalshekatkar: What a game!!|
|Aug-23-12|| ||mistreaver: Garry Kasparov in his OMGP book recommends 8 O-O as the most accurate for white. What does he do in the event of 8... b4 9 Na4 Nxe4. Now there is no threats with f pawn, after Re1, or Qf3 black can play d5 followed by Nf6 or even Nc5. Any improvements?|
|Aug-29-12|| ||TheFocus: This is game 17 in Fischer's <My 60 Memorable Games>.|
|Nov-05-12|| ||offramp: Does anyone know which sports event had been canceled on the day of this game (according to Fischer in 60MG)?|
|Nov-05-12|| ||HeMateMe: Harlem Globetrotters v. the West Berlin Reichsfuhrers?|
|Nov-05-12|| ||Nerwal: After 8. 0-0, 8... b4 9. a4 xe4 is simply too dangerous as black is hopelessly behind in development after 10. e1 d5 11. f4 - the opening of the center lines would be instantly fatal. For instance in one of his books Gallagher gives 11. f4 d7 12. c4 bxc3 13. xc3 xc3 14. bxc3 , as xd5 and f5 threats are more than annoying; actually after the natural 14... e7 15. xd5 black is probably already lost. The study of Bc4 sicilian lines, and some Morra lines as well, shows that the seemingly nice e6-d5-e4/e4 constructions aren't that solid when the black king still stands in the center.|
|Nov-05-12|| ||Joshka: <Hesam7> <It's interesting that Fischer did not consider 24. Qf6 in his annotation in "M60MG". Any thoughts?> Correct, but in his updated version from 2007 he writes, "I talked myself out of playing 24. Qf6 Rf8 25. Qxa6 Qb7 26. Qh6 Qd5 27. Qxh7 because I thought that after 24. Rxf7 Kxf7 25. Qe6+ Tal would have to go to g7. His upcoming 25th move was much better."|
|Nov-05-12|| ||perfidious: The fiction continues......|
|Nov-05-12|| ||TheFocus: ...and the world keeps on a'spinnin'.|
|Nov-05-12|| ||harrylime: Tal was bust and he knew it..|
|Nov-06-12|| ||AylerKupp: Yes, that's what made Tal different than Fischer. Tal was bust and he knew it. Fischer was bust and he didn't know it. LOL !|
|Jan-25-13|| ||Joshka: <offramp> A soccer event.|
|Mar-09-13|| ||justin2seo: Wow my favourite tal toys with fischer.|
|Sep-04-13|| ||hudman653: Why didn't Bobby play b3 on move 18 and save the Knight. I have never seen an explanation for this|
|Sep-04-13|| ||mojonera: 18 b3 Qg2 ++|
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