|Jul-29-04|| ||Knight13: Good game. |
|Sep-22-04|| ||lostemperor: 62. ... ♖b5! 63. ♘xh5? ♖xe5+ draw:). |
|Sep-22-04|| ||paulalbert: For lostemperor: I see your line leads to a draw because after Kxe5, Kg6 would win one of Fischer's remaining minor pieces, but are you also saying that no other moves lead to a win? I have no view because I have not tried to analyze and not sure I could do so correctly anyway.
I am curious because I was present for this game, but just the first part prior to adjournment, not tne technical part of the endgame.
Fischer mentions the "trap" ( Fischer's word ) you cite in his Bobby Fischer's Games of Chess which he wrote in 1958, but says nothing more which implies to me that he still had a winning line. Paul Albert |
|Sep-22-04|| ||themindset: depth=15 1/15 +4.81 62. ... Rb5 63. Bh4 Rb6 64. Bf2 Ra6 65. Nxh5 Ra5 66. Nf6 Ra6 67. Bc5 Re6 <HT>
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|Sep-22-04|| ||lostemperor: wow, what was that <themindset>? I hope that'll answer some of your question, |
<paulalbert>, you were there! You are fortunate to see the young Fischer playing a magnificent endgame (well at least before the ajournment). I'm almost certain Fischer can slowly progress to a win. But I have to check an engine to be absolutely sure. I think themindset just did.
|Sep-22-04|| ||paulalbert: Thanks for analysis. Bh4 was my quick initial thought because it avoids the trap and blocks any advance of the black h pawn. Yes , this was the first time I met Bobby. He and I are almost same age, I born in Jan. 1943, Bobby March 1943. I was already a serious chess player, but not much talent. The championship was played during school Christmas vacation, so I was in NY visiting my grandmother. This was also the first time I met GM Bill Lombardy whom I still see from time to time at NY chess events and at Marshall Chess Club.
My other brief contacts with Bobby were when he was still a young GM.
At that time a nice, quiet, and polite young man, but clearly a chess genius, but nothing to suggest the unfortunate direction his life later took. Paul Albert |
|Sep-22-04|| ||lostemperor: At the final position Di Camillo could still have given rook for pawn and see if a 14 year old kid can mate with Bishop and Knight, within 50 moves. I think 90% of strong players would do to see if a young boy can do that. I can't do that (I forgot long about it) and I think 90% of chessplayers cannot do that either. Even strong players. I know of one example at a very high level (i have to look up). |
|Sep-22-04|| ||acirce: Right :-) So, as I said, I Zakharevich vs A Bratchenko, 2001 seems to be an example of a GM (at least he is now) failing to mate with B+N versus lone king. |
|Sep-22-04|| ||paulalbert: I have no doubt that Fischer could mate readily with B and N even at 14. Also this was still in era of adjournments, so he could have learned between sessions. However, I am amazed how many serious chessplayers do not learn. I did, but I go back and refresh my learning every few months, and in some informal games where it was possible I actually headed for B and N vs. K to test myself, successfully. Many years ago I had a very well known IM ( I won't reveal who ) tell me he had never learned how. Amazing! Paul Albert |
|Sep-22-04|| ||lostemperor: Thanks acirce for posting that again. I have no doubt 14 year old Fischer would know the ending paulalbert, but yes many donīt know:-) . |
|Jan-21-05|| ||passivefianchetto: grate game |
|Mar-03-05|| ||RookFile: Maybe this ending should have been
drawn. Of course, the famous example
that comes to mind of bishop and knight versus rook is:
Capablanca vs Lasker, 1914
where Dr. Lasker proved a little bit
tougher than Mr. Di Camillo did in
Maybe di Camillo should have put his
pawns on h5 and g6 at the first opportunity he had. He had a half a dozen chances to do this before Fischer pushed his pawn to h5. Such a pawn formation encourages pawn exchanges, which help black. True, the dark squares can then be invaded by white by putting knight on f6 or something, but the knight has nothing to attack.
|Mar-25-05|| ||RookFile: Yes, I do think a draw was the
|Sep-08-05|| ||blingice: What does mate with B and N look like?|
|Sep-08-05|| ||WannaBe: King should be on the corner where the colored square that matches the bishop. In the above game, you want the king to head towards h8 (or a1). If you have a white squared bishop, you are forcing towards a8 or h1.|
|Apr-25-08|| ||TheDude: Nice to see after white's move 45. how to assist theirs king in the center. Harmonic strategic win. Very very nice!!|
|Sep-03-08|| ||sicilianhugefun: faultless routinely execution only from Bobby Fischer himself...|
|Jun-08-11|| ||Domdaniel: I'm surprised that Fischer played 2.d4 (which tends to lead either to a QGD Chigorin or this kind of Quasi-Catalan) rather than 2.e4 (which transposes to an open game, most likely Spanish, after 2...e5).|
Lately, 1...Nc6 has become a more frequent response to 1.Nf3 -- it makes transposition to d4/d5 or e4/e5 systems likely, pushing the White player out of their Reti/KIA comfort zone.
One idea is 2.a3 e5 3.d4, with a Reversed Alekhine, Scandinavian Variation (with the helpful a3 added). Or 2.g3, and a Reversed Pirc.
This was the nearest Fischer came to a Catalan until trying one out - not too successfully - against Spassky in the 1992 rematch.
|Jun-18-18|| ||Omnipotent00001: 59...Rh2 leads to mate in 46 after black trades his rook for the promoted e-pawn. becomes N+B vs. lone king endgame. 60. Nb7 Ke7 61. Bc5+ Kd7 62. e6+ etc|