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Robert James Fischer vs Charles Witte
"Witte's End" (game of the day Feb-24-2009)
58th US Open (1957), Cleveland, OH USA, rd 6, Aug-10
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation (B90)  ·  1-0
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Dec-10-13  SChesshevsky: < Meaux: ...Fischer’s games: I would love to view one where he uses Alekhine's... >

Related to Fischer and the Alekhine defense, many viewed it as his back-up play to 1.e4, he clearly preferred it to closed defenses but I'm not sure he would have used it much had he continued to play. My opinion was that he used it more as a surprise than any real conviction in its merits. In the first WC72 instance that strategy seemed to work.

Related to the Alekhine's, there was a guy back in the 70's that used it as a primary defense with variable success. This game shows some of its drawbacks.

Mednis vs W Martz, 1972

Dec-11-13
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  AylerKupp: <SChesshevsky> Polugaevsky an experienced and die-hard Sicilian player? That's an understatement!
May-08-16
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  Phony Benoni: Fischer's opponent was apprently Charles Witte. That name appears in the 8th US Open crosstable (Chess Life, September 20, 1957, p. 9). Charles is also the only player named "Witte" in the contemporary USCF rating lists (Chess LIfe, May 5, 1957, p. 12; Chess Life, March 5, 1957, p. 9).
May-09-16
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  Tabanus: The name "V. Witte" may be from an uninformed source, e. g. here: http://www.olimpbase.org/1956y/1956..., but Plain Dealer of 8 April 1956 says <Charles> Witte of Columbia Univ. New York went to Sweden for playing in this event. Correction slip sent.
May-09-16  Al2009: Fischer was not Tal...

15 f6!! wins immediately.

If 15...exd4 16. Bxd4! is devastating.

a) 16...gxf6 17. gxf6

b) 16...Bxf6 17. gxf6 g6 (forced 17...gxf6 18. Rxf6! , 17...Nxf6 18. Nxf6 ) 18. Bb6 Qe8 (or 18...Qd7) 19. Nc7 Qxe4 20. Bd5

c) 16...Nxf6 17. gxf6 (17...Bxf6 18. Rxf6! ) gxf6 18. Nxe7

Fischer was not Tal, because Tal would surely have played 15.f6!!, as he played in this masterpiece Tal vs Ftacnik, 1985
See Tal's 15th move 15. f6!! with the same idea to sac Nd4 for the attack

Tal did not retreat!! He pushed pieces and pawns ahead!

May-09-16
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  perfidious: <Al2009: Fischer was not Tal...>

Indeed not: what is your point?

May-09-16
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  Phony Benoni: <Al2009> In July, 1957, Fischer was not Fischer either.

,Tabanus> Thanks.

May-10-16  Al2009: <perfidious>

<Phony Benoni>

Fischer was able to play brilliant games even before 1957. He was just thirteen in 1956, when he played the most brilliant (the game of the century) game of his life D Byrne vs Fischer, 1956

However, Fischer's style was many times refraining from sacrificing, unless it was "necessary", and that's the reason why it is very difficult to find long-term sacs as those with D. Byrne, in Fischer's games.

But it is almost impossible to say WHEN a sac is "necessary", mostly it is a question of taste. Long-term sacs can be "necessary" for a player, and "un-necessary" for another. And yet, Fischer several times blamed himself for having disregarded tactical opportunities and brilliant moves (see in "My 60 memorable games").

So, the greatest feature of Fischer's style was probably his outstanding and "straight" strategic vision of the game, much better than any other players of his time. But he never reached the top in tactics, because to do that you have to think in a less "straight" way.

May-10-16  alphamaster: i am not sure 15.f6 is the best move. At least my machine gives 15.Nf3 (witch Fischer played) as best, +2.01, against +1.20 for 15.f6. Fischer very rarely missed a crushing move although it is true that in a clearly won position he didn't always choose the quickest road.
May-10-16
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  beatgiant: <Al2009>
In the line 15. f6 gxf6 16. gxf6 (you give < >), but Black probably replies <16...Nxf6!> and then if 17. Nxe7 Qxe7 18. Bg5 <Rg8> turns the tables.
May-10-16  Al2009: <beatgiant>

Please, read better what I wrote...

I didn't suggest 16. gxf6 after 15...gxf6, I suggested 15...exd4 and then 16. Bxd4! after the sac of Knight. Now you're analysing a totally different variation than mine, where Black doesn't take the Nd4.

At any rate, after YOUR suggestion 15...gxf6 White plays 16. Nf5! with a winning position (if 16...Bxf5 17. exf5 Nd7 (to prevent 18. Bb6 etc.) 18. g6! and Black's position is tragic.

May-10-16  Al2009: <alphamaster>

It is not true that Fischer didn't miss a "crushing move".

For instance 16. Nxe7? (instead of 16. Qh6!)
Fischer vs J Sofrevski, 1967

or 34. Be5?, instead of 34. Rxf5! gxf5 35. Rg7 Qf8 36. Qxe6!! Rxe6 37. f7!, in Fischer vs Ulf Andersson, 1970

or 28. Nd2! (winning immediately as Black's Queen cannot defend anymore h7 and avoid mate) instead of 28. Rxg7? Fischer vs Reshevsky, 1961

as suggested by an amateur...

We could go on, by finding MANY games where Fischer missed winning moves... Sorry, but Fischer was not Tal in tactis.

Regarding the suggestion of your engine,please, your numbers (+ 1.2 , + 2.01) mean nothing, as your engine, show me the variations...

May-11-16
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  beatgiant: <Al2009>
Sorry for misreading your earlier post.

After 15. f6 gxf6 16. Nf5 Bxf5 17. exf5 Nd7 18. g6 <fxg6>, I was not able to see White's win, for example 19. fxg6 hxg6 20. Qg4 Kg7. What am I missing?

May-11-16  RookFile: 9....0-0 seems premature. Surely 9....Nc6 would have been more flexible for black.
May-11-16  Al2009: <beatgiant>

Your line is OK, and you don't miss anything.

However, after 20. Qg4 Kg7 Black's f6 + g6 pawns don't seem to be a good shelter...

21. Rf5! (with the idea 22. Kh1 and 23. Rg1) g5 22. Nxf6!! Bxf6 (the best) 23. Bxg5 Bxg5 24. Rxg5+ and Black's position crumbles.

Another line (after 21. Rf5!) could be 21...Nh6 22. Bxh6+ Kxh6 23. Kh1! and Black can do nothing to prevent Rg1 and mates on g-h columns. I checked several lines, but as far as I can see no line can save Black after 15. f6!

May-11-16
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  beatgiant: <Al2009>
Thanks. I'm still not quite seeing it.

15. f6 gxf6 16. Nf5 Bxf5 17. exf5 Nd7 18. g6 fxg6 19. fxg6 hxg6 20. Qg4 Kg7 21. Rf5 <with the idea 22. Kh1 and 23. Rg1>

Does White have time for that? <21...Nc5> (aiming to get rid of one of the bishops) so that 22. Kh1 Nxb3 23. Rg1 g5 and with the bishop gone, 24. Nxf6 Nxf6 25. Rxg5+ <Kf7> is possible. What other ideas do you have for White here?

May-11-16  Al2009: <beatgiant>

Your suggestion 21...Nc5 doesn't work

22. Kh1 Nxb3 23. Rg1 g5 (ok) and now not 24. Nxf6? but 24. Bxg5! fxg5 25. Nxe7 Rxf5 (25...Qxe7 26. Rxg5+ ; 25...Nxe7 26. Qxg5+ ) 26. Nxf5+ Kg6 27. axb3 is clearly won for White, as Black King has no shelter against Rook + Queen.

For instance 27...Qf6 28. Nxd6! White threatens also h4!

A wonderful line arises from 21. Rf5! g5 22. Nxf6!! Ndxf6 23. Rxg5+ Kh8 24. Rh5+! Nh7 (24…Nxh5 25. Qxh5+ Kg7 26. Kh1! ) 25. Rxh7+! Kxh7 26. Qh5+ Kg7 27. Kh1! Bg5 28. Rg1 Rf5 29. Bxg5 Kf8 30. Bxd8! Rxh5 31. Rxg8#

This could have been the “never-played” game between Tal (in place of Fischer) and Witte.

Let’s write down the full text…

“Tal” – Witte

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd4 4. Nd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bc4 e6 7. O-O Bd7 8. Bb3 Be7 9. Be3 O-O 10. f4 Qc7 11. g4 Kh8 12. g5 Ng8 13. f5 e5 14. Nd5 Qd8 15. f6! gxf6 16. Nf5 Bxf5 17. exf5 Nd7 18. g6! fxg6 19. fxg6 hxg6 20. Qg4 Kg7 21. Rf5! g5 22. Nxf6!! Ndxf6 23. Rxg5+ Kh8 24. Rh5+! Nh7 25. Rxh7+! Kxh7 26. Qh5+ Kg7 27. Kh1! Bg5 28. Rg1 Rf5 29. Bxg5 Kf8 30. Bxd8! Rxh5 31. Rxg8#

May-11-16  Al2009: <beatgiant>

Anyway...it is easy to understand why Witte's position was already lost after 15 moves. He played Kh8 (?), Ng8 (?) and he (as Black) had lost also a tempo by playing Qc7 and then again Qd8.

So, it doesn't take a Tal to understand that it is not so difficult to destroy such a horrible opening...

May-11-16  RookFile: I'm not a Sicilian expert, but proper play is probably something other than allowing white to plant a dominating knight on d5, with pawns rushing towards the black king, and no hint of counterplay anywhere in sight.
May-12-16
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  beatgiant: <Al2009>
Thanks, you are right that the final position in your line looks pretty hopeless for Black.


click for larger view

Let's suppose the line is correct. (I didn't find an improvement, but we are dealing with a 15-move long line.)

Now Black can jettison another pawn with 28...Qf4 29. h4 Qxg4 30. Rxg4 Kh5 31. Rxg5+ Kxh4 32. Rxe5.

White gets a winning endgame advantage, but is this really a lot more convincing than the actual game? I think it's hard to argue. However, I do agree your line is much more interesting than what was played.

May-12-16  Al2009: <beatgiant>

The actual game lasted 44 moves just because Witte played very badly.

For instance, he could simplify by playing 33...Be6! and after 34. Bxe6 fxe6 he could build "a wall" defending his King, and the game could have lasted 60-70 moves or more, an endgame in which a player is an Exchange down can last a lot.

The line you proposed seems correct, after 32. Rxe5 White can exchange the Rooks and win another pawn from the couple a6-b7, and then 2 connected and passed Pawns make a "no-story" ending.

I agree with you that White is not winning "immediately" as I was thinking at the beginning.

However, probably 21. Rf5 is not so good as it seemed...

For instance, after 20...Kg7 I was also thinking about 21. Qe6!, maybe it is stronger than 21. Rf5

After 21. Qe6! Black cannot play 21...Rf7 for 22. Nc7!

if 21...f5 22. Kh1 and Rg1

If 21...Nc5 22. Bxc5 dxc5 23. Rad1 Qd6 24. Qh3 with a mortal bind.

So, probably (better surely) 21. Qe6! is the best, and I cannot see how Black can free its "clogged" pieces...

May-13-16
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  beatgiant: <Al2009>
O n15. f6 gxf6 16. Nf5 Bxf5 17. exf5 Nd7 18. g6 fxg6 19. fxg6 hxg6 20. Qg4 Kg7 21. Qe6 Nc5 22. Bxc5 dxc5 23. Rad1, why not <23...Qc8>?
May-13-16  Al2009: <beatgiant>

Yes, 23...Qc8 seems the best for Black, although it hardly can do something to unbind it.

24. Nxe7 Qxe6 25. Bxe6 Nxe7 26. Rd7 Rfe8 27. Rfd1 f5 28. R1d6 , if 28...Kf6 29. h4 etc.

Sep-30-16  Jimmy720: Fantastic same-side pawn storm
Dec-30-17  MariusDaniel: 24th Move(Rad1) by Fischer is Great!Love this game!
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