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Robert James Fischer vs Edwin Bhend
"Around the Bhend" (game of the day Dec-11-2004)
Zurich (1959), Zurich SUI, rd 2, May-20
Sicilian Defense: Hyperaccelerated Dragon (B27)  ·  1-0
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Dec-11-04  white pawn: I think it's pretty safe to assume <dbquintillion> was just joking around. You don't hear Bobby Fischer being called Robert Fischer that often, so his joke was most likely in reference to that. Besides, what are the odds that someone hasn't heard of Fischer, especially someone who has been a member of a chess site for atleast a month?
Dec-11-04
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  acirce: <Besides, what are the odds that someone hasn't heard of Fischer, especially someone who has been a member of a chess site for atleast a month?>

Not negligible. After I took up chess as a child, it took a long time before I had any idea there once was a player called Petrosian, for example. Knowing the names of former World Champions is not basic. This <dbquintillion> may have been member here for a month but not particularly active with only a few posts. I do think it was probably a joke though however, but if it wasn't, he obviously shouldn't be mocked for it.

Dec-11-04
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  catlover: I agree with acirce. In any case, respect for others ought to be a basic principle, even if it is not listed as such on the site's rules.

Amazing that after so many years of absence Fischer still generates so much controversy in the chess community.

Dec-11-04  white pawn: Obviously, one doesn't have to know the names of past/present chess masters, to be involved with chess, but almost everyone has heard of Bobby Fischer. And yes, I agree that even if he was serious, he shouldn't be mocked for it.
Dec-11-04  artemis: Even though I feel like I am beating a dead horse here, I would also like to support <dbquintillion>. When I was learning chess mostly through reading and playing at my school chess club, I hadn't even heard of Garry Kasparov and did not even know he existed for a year and a half. I now know of more players then the average player. It is perfectly understandable if he did not know that bobby is a nickname for robert. Many people don't know that.
Dec-11-04  artemis: oh, and by the way, <dbquintillion> welcome to chessgames.com. I appoligize for other kibitzers on at this website, but longterm users of this site have benefitted from its excellent management and see many wonderful games such as this one that simply dont make it to the books.
Dec-11-04  spassky27: gentlemen, leaving aside the bobby fischer comments (which i'm sure are based on a joke), what's the winning line? it's a lot of moves to a win.
Dec-11-04  dbquintillion: well, i feel sort of obligated to post again, considering the number of responses my post generated. as most kibitzers realized, this was a harmless joke. i was mildly amused by the fact that he's referred to as robert james fischer on the site and couldn't really think of anything more witty to say with the first post of the day, it being after midnight and all where i am. thanks both to those who recognized my weak attempt at humor and identified it as such and to those who generously jumped to my defense, in the event that i was new to the game and posing a real question (i do feel a bit badly for misleading those folks). to those who would have had me kicked off the site, you look kind of ridiculous now!
Dec-11-04  Minor Piece Activity: Lol, half of us knew you were joking so we followed it up with some humorous posts. The other half of us... uh... =)
Dec-11-04  euripides: Bloke's a nutter if you ask me.
Dec-11-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gregor Samsa Mendel: <dbq>--I was wondering if and when you were going to post a response to this tempest in a teacup that you inadvertantly created. I was afraid that you were going to clam up for another year. (<acirce> and <white pawn> should have checked the dates of your posts more carefully, before they said you had been a member for only a month.)
Dec-11-04
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  acirce: Whoops! Ok, I claim the same excuse as Kramnik: Kramnik vs Anand, 1997 -- the '3' and the '4' look rather similar don't they. :-)
Dec-11-04  CHEG: I think after:

41 Kf2 Kh6 42 Rc4

black is short on options as the white king and pawns attack black's pawns. If black's king deals with the passed pawn white will create then the white king dislodges blacks rook and winning the rook (c8=Q Rxc8 Rxc8).

Dec-11-04  dbquintillion: <MPA> and <GSM> yeah, i thought i was just opening the door for people to make a few humorous comments (which happened), but it turned into a lot more than i expected.
Dec-11-04  JohnBoy: <dbq> - I still think that your original comment was funny. And I liked some of the original responses. The whole "tempest in a teacup" reminds me of the joke

"How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?" "That's not funny!"

As per <CHEG>'s posting of how to finish off the game, blow off 41...Kh6 42.Rc4.

If the king goes back to h6, the white king gets to d5 without hindrance. White will either give up the c7 pawn with a rook exchange to get his king to e6 and eat the black pawns, or else put the king on c or d6 and then free up the rook for R-b1-b8. If the black king sets up camp at e4 or e5, white will make him move by pushing pawns to h3 & g3 then h4 and g4 (probably in this order, to avoid black locking up the k-side with g5). This allows white to eventually swap pawns with h5 - getting an outside passer and forcing black's hand. The black king must go after either the h or the c pawn. If h, then the white king gets the f pawn and walks over to help the c pawn advance, or if the c pawn, then the black king will be too far away from the h pawn.

This game was terminated at time control. I imagine that black resigned rather than allow Fischer to check the details during adjournment and come back for a routine win. Check out the endgame archives for examples of how this is all done, should you need hard evidence. (But pay your membership fee!)

Dec-11-04  aw1988: People: some users really DON'T know who Fischer is. Please do not belittle them for their lack of knowledge.
Dec-11-04  MoonlitKnight: This guys last name reminds me of an expression Nakamura happens to apply when winning blitz games at ICC...
Dec-11-04  ChessVagrant: Robert James Fischer was an "average" player with an "average" IQ of 187. His brother Bobby on the other hand is a chess legend.
Dec-11-04  ragnar0C: isnt bobby fischer robert? i thought it was alwaysrobert "bobby" fischer. and not to make fun of the revious argument, but someone said they "knew the GM games". i say who cares! i mean chess is about logic and tactics. previous games should be taken as reference sites, not as memorization exercies. but then again, as the wise man sai "whatever floats your boat"...
Dec-11-04  Knight13: <dbquintillion: who is robert fischer? was he any good?> He is way too good player back in the 1970's. World Champion from 1973 to 1975.
Dec-12-04  SnoopDogg: <ragnarOC> Don't you know Bob and Bobby in English their real names are Robert. Same goes with Dick and Richard.

In Russian, <yoozum> or <Spassky69> might know this, Sasha is Alexander. Like Sasha Grischuk.

Dec-16-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  patzer2: Fischer's 13. Na4! is a decisive "deflection."

13. ♘a4! ♕d4

[13...Qb7 14. Nc5 Qb6 15. Nxe6 Bxe6 16. Bxe6 to ]

[13...Qa5 14. Qxc6+ ]

14. b3!

[Fischer's 14. Bxh6! wins as in the game continuation, but this move threatening 15. Rad1 trapping the Queen seems stronger.]

[14...g5 15. Qxc6+ ; 14...f5 15. Bxh6 ; 14...Nf5 15. Rad1 ; 14...0-0 15. Rad1 ]

Dec-18-04  ragnar0C: snoop, if u read my profile i am also russian
Jul-26-09  WhiteRook48: Fischer was the other pride and sorrow of chess
Jun-26-16
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  perfidious: <dbquintillion: who is robert fischer?>

Never heard of the guy--must be Reshevsky could not make it, so they sent a body double.

<....was he any good?>

There was one by this name whom I played some events with, long time ago--he was not bad, but likely not strong enough for an event like this.

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