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|Feb-19-14|| ||OhioChessFan: I'm with <CYG> This was spitefulness by Fischer, not tenaciousness. There was absolutely no way the a and b Pawns were going to be stopped.|
|Feb-19-14|| ||offramp: A horrible thing in chess is to have a position that is definitely lost but is not quite resignable. One might be just one pawn down - and if you resign you think, <"The guys will definitely say I resigned too early.">|
Then - once you have continued for a while you think, <"I can't resign now; the position is more or less the same as it was 10 moves ago!">
So you carry on.
|Feb-19-14|| ||perfidious: <offramp: A horrible thing in chess is to have a position that is definitely lost but is not quite resignable.>|
Botterill wrote that such a dilemma was the 'tournament player's nightmare' in his comments to the loser's plight during the proceedings of Nunn vs Huebner, 1981 in the work <Open Gambits>.
|Feb-19-14|| ||tamar: Ree talks about the frustration of having no good reason to resign in the 1979 video http://en.chessbase.com/post/the-lo...|
He saw that Petrosian could win a pawn by force, and thought he could resign in a few moves, and at least it would be over.
"Instead the scoundrel played g3, h3, h4, Kg2, only moves that enforced his position, and had no value. They only served to make me suffer..." (18:43)
|Feb-19-14|| ||perfidious: <"Instead the scoundrel played g3, h3, h4, Kg2, only moves that enforced his position, and had no value. They only served to make me suffer...">|
Dirty wretch, though Ree's fate was less ignominious than that which befell Black in Petrosian vs H Ree, 1971.
|Feb-19-14|| ||keypusher: That's a great quote from Ree. Here is the game, presumably.|
Petrosian vs H Ree, 1973
|Feb-20-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <offramp> interesting thought and I'll take that under advisement, although I still think it was a totally hopeless position.|
|Feb-21-14|| ||SChesshevsky: I'm guessing the way it played out was...
Fischer thought he was better at 23...Qxe5 and he's probably right.
Then around 31...Nxc5 he realizes he didn't have the right plan of attack and is now worse and tries to mix it up with Kside majority hoping to equalize.
Around 44...a5 he probably figures he's still got drawing chances depending on Black's play. 45. Bg4 would've been interesting.
As the a&b pawn advance he knows his chances are fading and he's scrambling for some counterplay.
Once 57...b3 and the protected passed pawn reaches the sixth rank, Fischer knows he's busted and he's looking for a perpetual or a way to move his advanced pawn.
I'm assuming he played on as long as possible because he thought he was better at one point and wouldn't want to lose after that if there's any chance to save the game, he probably did have some drawing possibilities to around move 48 or so, and he knew he'd have to eventually beat Petrosian to get to the top so why not see his technique OTB as it might come in handy later.
GM's, even teenage ones, usually have pretty good reasons for what they play.
|Sep-18-14|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game here:
|May-09-15|| ||BeerBrand: @Eric Farley
This is 16-year-old version of Bobby Fischer. And Petrosian's age is almost double than that of Fischer on this tourn. So this is an amazing accomplishment for a 16-year-old.
|May-09-15|| ||offramp: <Mudphudder: Fischer definitely wasn't the weakest of the world champs. Farthest from it, in my opinion.>|
You are entitled to your opinion. I do have at hand some statistics about World Champions which suggest that you might have to revise your opinion.
|May-09-15|| ||Howard: So let's see 'em !|
|May-10-15|| ||offramp: <Howard: So let's see 'em !>|
I am a bit busy at the moment.
Can anyone else give us Bobby Fischer's stats as World Champion and ex-World Champion, from 1973 to his death?
Too much of a task for me at the moment.
|May-10-15|| ||Howard: Very funny ! Admittedly, I didn't think of that "point".|
As far as stats, Fischer did play three games against a computer program back in 1977 or 1978. Do those count ?
He won all three, in fact.
|Jun-11-15|| ||sharpnova: Lol. I think the average adult male human, learning the game then training for one week, could beat the best computer in the 70's.|
|Jun-11-15|| ||Howard: Oh, I would never go that far ! Computers were no pushover---not even in the mid-70's. Personally, I still remember a cover story in a 1974 or 1975 issue of Scientific American about computer chess.|
By the way, IM David Levy played a well-known match against a computer program back in 1978---he won, but by his own admission it wasn't easy.
|Nov-13-15|| ||schttrj: It's like Petrosian took all the good squares from Fischer. And that bad bishop, Fischer just couldn't get him into action. In the very beginning of the game, Petrosian took a lot of territory. Fischer's pieces were crammped already.|
|Nov-13-15|| ||perfidious: <fab4....The soviets identified weaknesses in Fischer's opening repertoire for this torunament, and this was one of them. His stubborn adherence to this variation of the caro kann which they knew was positionally suspect. The black knight was always superior to the white bishop on g2 and as soon as it got to e5 went on the rampage....>|
Fischer's stubbornness when facing certain openings was a failing early in his international career, q v, the Winawer French, and this tendency was exploited to the full--even Keres, never an adherent of the Caro-Kann, took up the cudgels.
|Nov-13-15|| ||TheFocus: What is interesting is that they had to so seriously prepare for a 16-year-old. Even then, they knew they had a contender to reckon with.|
|Nov-13-15|| ||perfidious: Yugoslavia 1959 was not Fischer's turn to shine, but I quite agree: the Soviets knew they would have their moment of reckoning with the young grandmaster.|
|Nov-13-15|| ||Howard: Agreed, that at the age of 16 Fischer was hardly a "contender" for the world title. Keep in mind that he barely qualified for the Candidates that time around.|
|Nov-13-15|| ||TheFocus: <Howard> <Keep in mind that he barely qualified for the Candidates that time around.>|
How so? He tied with Olafsson (5-6=) with 12 points, right behind Petrosian and Benko (3-4=) who only scored a half point more.
So are really saying that the 3rd - 6th place finishers, which they were, just "barely" qualified?
|Nov-13-15|| ||Howard: Yes, that would be more accurate---probably should have been clearer.|
But, it seems from looking at his games in the interzonal, that he was probably a bit lucky to qualify that time around.
Of course, in 1962 it was a different story.......
|Jul-01-17|| ||WilliamJE: I saw this game for the first time all the way back in the mid 70's when Edmar Mednis came out with his book- How to beat Bobby Fischer|
Am I missing something at move 42?. Why doesn't Fischer play Qxc5+ if Qxc5 43 Rxb7+ Ka8 44 Rb5 discovered check. It's at worst a perpetual check because if either rook or Queen interposes on d5, white goes 45 Bxd5+
As I asked before, am I missing something?
|Jul-25-17|| ||Toribio3: Fischer played passively.|
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