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|Oct-06-02|| ||drukenknight: Okay yes, I see that now. Sorry Honza. Okay so where does berliner lose:|
34...f5 looks like it would have held
|Oct-06-02|| ||Honza Cervenka: If 34...f5 then 35.Bc7 seems to be sufficient. |
|Oct-24-03|| ||Ghengis Pawn II: I have been messing around with 18. e4 for Berliner to see if he could make a passed pawn of his own, it seems to grind out to a losing position however. |
|Oct-24-03|| ||drukenknight: GP: I feel you must be on the right track here and this would be the move to start looking. as you can see I tried to save the game at a later pt. but was refuted. There is always a trick, probably somethign to do with the passed pawn. |
|Oct-25-03|| ||drukenknight: what about 20 Bd3? w/ idea of 21 Bh8
If he is behind in material he needs to avoid further exchanges. (black has a passed pawn)
|Jul-02-05|| ||Rimrock: Fritz thinks 32...♕c3 is the losing move, while 32...♕e6 hangs on.|
1. ± (0.84): 32...♕e6 33.♕xc5 ♗c6 34.♕e3 ♕xe3+ 35.♗xe3 ♖xe3 36.d7 ♗xd7 37.♖xd7 ♖xh3 38.♖xb7 a5 39.♖a7 h5
|Oct-28-05|| ||you vs yourself: So far of all the games I've looked at, Fischer's handling of Alekhine's defense suits my style best. Takes this complicated opening apart and wastes no time in advancing his c pawns and f pawns. Simplifies quickly and outplays immediately. I especially like how Fischer pinned the f6 pawn that should attack white's rook through discovery channel. Gives black no time to breathe.|
|Jul-17-07|| ||Some call me Tim: <Rimrock> 32...Qe6 is somewhat better but the line you have (Fritz has) is inferior to other moves. In particular there is no reason at all for 33. Qxc5 which just helps Black blockade. I have tried 33. Qe3 and have played out several lines and cannot find a way for Black to hold on. It is all a loss for Black in clear terms. Educate me.|
|Apr-21-09|| ||chancho: This game is annotated in Chernev's book: The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played.|
|Aug-25-10|| ||Damianx: this is the 3rd time i,ve seen Fisher play this game against 3 diff. players move 4 move i guess if it ain,t broken don,t fix it|
|Aug-09-12|| ||PinnedPiece: GTM Score: 72 Par: 62 played: 52
Once 32...Qc3 was played I knew the end moves. Actually tried 34.Bc7, 2 moves sooner than Fischer (GTM gives full credit). Don't see the point of 34.Qe2 in the meantime...
|Aug-10-12|| ||perfidious: <PiPi> The move 34.Qe2 is to meet 34....Qxh3 with 35.Bc7 winning, as the king then escapes; 34.Bc7 Qxh3 35.Qe2 is a transposition which changes nothing.|
|Aug-26-12|| ||xthred: Amazing coordination of pieces.|
|Aug-26-12|| ||al wazir: 34...f5 35. gxf5 gxf5 36. Bc7 Qxh3! If now 37. Bxd8, then 37...Qh1+ 38. Kf2 Qh2+, etc. I think black has a perpetual because the white ♔ can't escape to the Q-side.|
|Aug-26-12|| ||beatgiant: <al wazir>
Why not 34...f5 35. gxf5 gxf5 <36. Kh2> preventing this counterplay?
|Aug-26-12|| ||SChesshevsky: I was kind of surprised at 27...Qe4. It looks like Black doesn't seem to be in position to be that aggressive.|
I was thinking with opposite color Bishops Black has a good chance of holding if he can secure d7.
The Bishop looks awkward there and the Rook looks good on e8, so I'm guessing the Queen probably shouldn't stray to far from d7. maybe something like 27...Be4 then ...f5 and ...b6 holds.
White might try to open up the Kside with with a g4 at some point but unless there's a clear win it might not be worth exposing the King.
|Aug-26-12|| ||Cemoblanca: Ig byn aayn börlyner! ;0)|
|Aug-26-12|| ||Cemoblanca: I call this 1: "The Board Is Mine!" ;0)
|Aug-26-12|| ||sfm: <Actually tried 34.Bc7, 2 moves sooner than Fischer (GTM gives full credit). Don't see the point of 34.Qe2 in the meantime...>|
I do. 34.Bc7,Qxh3 may not be sufficent for black, but it is something to consider. But 34.Qe2 kills off Black without any shadow of counterplay. Disaster strikes if the bishop on e4 moves and also if it does not.
|Aug-26-12|| ||playground player: Our esteemed colleague <cormier> is a whiz at Alekhine's Defense. Don't mess with him!|
|Aug-26-12|| ||Castleinthesky: This is an elegant game, in that it is both simple and forceful. Without using chess engines, I thought that 15...Nc5, which created the passed pawn for White and a very strong pawn structure, was the deciding move.|
|Aug-27-12|| ||kevin86: Both side will capture rooks,but white will queen soon after!|
|May-13-15|| ||MindCtrol9: 11. ... Nb4 attacking the Bishop.Fischer played after Black moved the Knight to d7 12.b3.I think Black had a good game until move 10 to 11 and after that it was all defense.|
|May-13-15|| ||RookFile: Sweet game by Fischer. Berliner was pretty close to being able to hold this, but Fischer was very exact at pressing home his advantage.|
|May-13-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <kevin86: Both side will capture rooks,but white will queen soon after!>|
36... Bxd1 37. Bxd8 Kf7 (trying to rush over to guard d8) 38. Bxf6!? and the Black king is locked out of both e7 and e8.
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