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|Oct-23-02|| ||drukenknight: I agree it is surprising and clever but I dont think it wins the game by itself. What about 33 g6 Bxg6 34 Rb5 |
|Jun-02-03|| ||drukenknight: these guys played some awesome frenches. WHat about on move 29, any improvements for white here? |
|Jun-12-03|| ||mrvertigo: Uhlmann discusses this game in his book on the French, and I was playing it out last night, and I don't understand 33. Rb5 I prefer 33. Kh2|
None of Black's aggressive lines work, the best I could manage was running the king over to block the b pawn, freeing the bishop, but that gives white time to push the a pawn or run the king up the H file. And the bishops are on opposite colors. The best I could do was a draw, and there's still a lot of danger for black.
Any thoughts on why 33. Rb5 and not 33. Kh2?
|Jun-13-03|| ||drukenknight: maybe in that case then: 33...Bc6? |
|Jun-13-03|| ||mrvertigo: fine. Rook to G1, where's the attack? White has a counter along the H file.|
|Jun-13-03|| ||Calli: If 33.Kh2 then Qe4 wins pretty fast. |
|Jun-14-03|| ||drukenknight: as calli says it looks like Qe4 is going to present a problem w/ the passed pawn. WOuld it better to blockade the pawn w/33 ...Be1? |
|Jun-19-03|| ||mrvertigo: 33. f2 34. Qe4, a5.
white doesn't even have to respond to the threat; the e1 square is covered by three pieces, and white can never equal that.
black needs to play d8 before he can let his bishop out (white's passed pawn is more dangerous than black's), and the only line I can see that mounts an attack without abandoning the e2 pawn is sticking his bishop on d3, and then the b pawn is vulnerable. and if the e pawn goes black can double his rooks vertically, and it's a long way back for black's queen if the G pawn gets a head start.
|Jun-20-03|| ||drukenknight: what do you mean 33 f2? |
|Jun-20-03|| ||fred lennox: 33 Kh2, 34...Qe4 threatens Qxc2 and it can't be protected without lost. One line Ra2...Qe3, Ra3...Qd2. However to concede e2, Rb4...Bc6, Rg1...Qxc2...Rxc4. Yea, I agree with <mrvertigo>, Kh2 looks OK, almost forced. The only problem 34...a5 gives black problems. |
|Jun-21-03|| ||drukenknight: hello Fred, this is an interesting analysis of this game, do you want to take a look at another Fischer/Rossolimo French defense? Its in the database, check it out. |
|Jun-25-03|| ||Calli: The main threat after 34...Qe4 35.Rb4 (or any rook move off the first rank) is 35... Bc6 36.Rg1 e1Q! 37.Bxe1 Qxf4+ and Uhlmann mops up on the white pawns. |
|Jun-25-03|| ||drukenknight: looking back on it again, the only move that white can play that forces anything is 33 g6; what is wrong with: |
33 g6 Bxg6 34 Rb5
|Jun-26-03|| ||euripides: Another idea for Black in some lines is e5 with the thought if white takes with the d pawn Bxa4 Rxa4 Qd1+ and if white takes with the f pawn then f4 becomes a problem for him |
|Jun-26-03|| ||mrvertigo: I had a lot of fun playing a round of games against my computer after 33 kh2, Qe4 34. a5 as black. play it against a decent computer, trust me it won't be a blowout |
|Jun-27-03|| ||drunknight II: if that move holds it means that the queen move was not a blunder. And 30 e3 does not win the game. |
|Sep-13-03|| ||mrvertigo: you know, reading the book again I don't think Uhlmann really wrote it. It seems like he talked to some guy who knew about chess and could spell. And he whipped out the book in a day or so. |
|Sep-14-03|| ||drukenknight: looking back on it, has anyone suggested 28 Qe2 Qa6 29 Ke3? |
|Dec-10-03|| ||N. Cline Plane: All the kibitzing so far discusses alternatives to Rb5 - except the orig post by mrvertigo. It seems to me this was a crucial flub by white: he must have overlooked the bishop. Anyone know if fischer was in time trouble or other extenuating circumstances? |
|May-29-05|| ||aw1988: I cannot believe that black could not do without e3. Surely he could have grabbed the queen immediately?|
|Feb-14-07|| ||Whitehat1963: So how would this game finish?|
|Feb-14-07|| ||PinkCat: well,lets say Rxa2 Qh5 g3 Qd1+ and Qb1, and pick up pawns|
|Dec-15-08|| ||DoubleCheck: <<PinkCat>: well,lets say Rxa2 Qh5 g3 Qd1+ and Qb1, and pick up pawns> |
<<Whitehat1963>: So how would this game finish?>
44. g3 Qf3+
45. Kh2 Qxc3 with 46... Qxc4 coming
Black clearly better
|Feb-21-12|| ||BwanaVa: Regarding 33.Rb5, I doubt it was a blunder or a time trouble mistake. I think it was a typical Fischer effort to make something happen.|
I suspect without having indepth analysis to offer that if 33. g6 Bc6 34 Rg1 then Q to d7 or d8. the g pawn is unmoored from pawn coverage, and white will be susceptible to pressure on the h file after it falls and then black can penetrate on the h5-d1 diagonal. Whites pieces start to stumble all over themselves. The Bg3 is blocked in and blocks in the white king while the black bishop holds the 18-h1 diagonal. Fischer always preferred an open position, so I suspect rather than struggle along with his pieces blocking each other he preferred to sacrifice and exchange to get open lines and eliminate the black queen bishop.
|Jan-24-13|| ||scorpion2a: I didn't understand anything about this game!!|
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