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|Jul-31-17|| ||mrknightly: Afraid "Systemic Failure" is a failure as a pun/title/whatever(?) for this game. If we are going to go to this low level of creativity how about "Good Game" or "Bad Game" or "Exciting Game" or "Dull Game." The advantage of using appellations such as these is that they are generic and can be used for a large number of games.|
|Jul-31-17|| ||chancho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWP...|
|Jul-31-17|| ||dark.horse: <whiteshark: So where went Berliner wrong ?> 5...exd6 is the safer variation.|
|Jul-31-17|| ||kevin86: Black cannot stop mate on h6!|
|Jul-31-17|| ||HeMateMe: was Berliner really strong enough to be invited to a USA championship? This is a little different than the USSR championships of the 1960s...|
|Jul-31-17|| ||sachman19: On 32nd move Berliner gone wrong. He should have captured knight with pawn|
|Jul-31-17|| ||morfishine: Fascinating game, Berliner seems to play like its correspondence, but this is OTB. Berliner certainly had been a very worthy opponent over the years, whether OTB or correspondence.|
|Jul-31-17|| ||ajk68: <sachman19: ... He should have captured knight with pawn>|
No. This allows white to capture the rook with tempo. The attack becomes crushing. After black's obligatory move out of check, white can simultaneously transfer the f1 rook to the third rank while parrying the mating threat.
|Jul-31-17|| ||King Harvest: <Berliner was not really a World Champion. He was "World Champion of Correspondence Chess" which is roughly as commendable as being voted Assistant Dog Catcher of Otoe County, Nebraska. ...>|
Um, uh... yeah, here's some Assistant Dog Catcher Chess:
Estrin vs Berliner, 1965
I believe Andy Soltis gave that game the #1 spot in his 100 best games of the 20th century. So, hmmm... it seems GM Soltis thinks the best game of the 20th century was played in a correspondence chess world championship. Not that I expect that to impress, but still it's not a bad win considering it was played by a fraud intent on little more than fleecing the gullible with his worthless title, eh?
|Jul-31-17|| ||Sneaky: <an incomprehensible book called "The System: A World Champion's Approach to Chess"> I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it, but I found it very comprehensible and in fact his ideas were incorporated in seminal versions of computerized chess engines back in the 70s.|
|Jul-31-17|| ||tamar: <offramp> has the most memorable phrasing of any chessgames poster.|
|Jul-31-17|| ||FSR: No fair! I submitted this pun for Berliner vs Fischer, 1963. It is much more logical for that game, since Berliner's book <The System> claims that White is winning by force (or, at a minimum, close to it) after 1.d4. It makes no sense to attach the pun to a game in which Berliner was Black.|
|Jul-31-17|| ||ChessHigherCat: <FSR> How about "Fisher wins, Hans down!" then? |
<tamar: <offramp> has the most memorable phrasing of any chessgames poster.>
Is that a back-handed compliment avoiding the question of substantive merits?
|Jul-31-17|| ||morfishine: <FSR... It makes no sense to attach the pun to a game in which Berliner was Black> We are talking about a vote here, so "sense" is thrown out the window at the get-go|
|Jul-31-17|| ||FSR: <ChessHigherCat> Not bad! You should submit that (correcting the spelling of Fischer, of course).|
|Jul-31-17|| ||Keyser Soze: The pun draws good attention I liked a lot|
|Jul-31-17|| ||RookFile: Berliner was a strong player. Some of the comments here are silly. I think he lost a grand total of 1 game in correspondence chess before he became champ. If he made some mistakes in a book he wrote that's no reason to get carried away.|
|Aug-01-17|| ||perfidious: <HMM: was Berliner really strong enough to be invited to a USA championship?>|
Even into the 1970s, there were untitled players who participated in US championships. Berliner more than made the grade.
<....This is a little different than the USSR championships of the 1960s...>
A considerable understatement.
|Aug-01-17|| ||tamar: <ChessHigherCat>|
<Is that a back-handed compliment avoiding the question of substantive merits?>
Nope, just a compliment.
Fischer and Berliner were in different leagues in over the board play, and I have not studied correspondence play enough to know where Berliner would rank objectively among those champions.
|Aug-01-17|| ||offramp: <tamar> Thank you very much! I post my silly thoughts here at chessgames rather than anywhere else because I respect the high average intelligence of the kibitzers here.|
All hail User: Sargon!
|Aug-01-17|| ||Howard: Mr Offramp, there appears to be typo regarding that 2017 Topolov game. You posted that there are "few mistakes on the Internet"---it was actually "few mysteries".|
If you need further clarification, let me know. I'm a bit too tired to think right now.
|Aug-01-17|| ||RandomVisitor: After 18.Bg5 the computer likes black:
click for larger view
Stockfish_17061704_x64_modern: <15 hours computer time>
<-0.48/49 18...Rf7 19.Kh1 Qe7> 20.Nb5 Qd7 21.Bxf6 Bxf6 22.Qe3 Rb8 23.Nbc3 Qe7 24.d6 Qd7 25.Nb5 Bb7 26.Nec3 Rbf8 27.Nd5 Bg7 28.Qe2 Kh8 29.b4 Bc6 30.Ne7 Bxb5 31.cxb5 Qe6 32.Qd2 Bf6 33.Nc6 Rd7 34.Qd5 Re8 35.g4 f4 36.Qxe6 Rxe6 37.Kg2 g5 38.Rd5 Rexd6 39.Rxd6 Rxd6 40.Kf3 Rd3+ 41.Ke4 Rd2 42.a4 Rb2 43.Rd1 Kg7 44.Kf5
|Aug-04-17|| ||offramp: <offramp: Hans Berliner wrote an incomprehensible book called "The System: A World Champion's Approach to Chess".
Berliner was not really a World Champion. He was "World Champion of Correspondence Chess" which is roughly as commendable as being voted Assistant Dog Catcher of Otoe County, Nebraska.>|
A similarly-titled book is <World Champion at the Third Attempt> by wait-for-it Grigory Konstantinovich Sanakoev. That's right, the great World Chess Champion Grigory Konstantinovich Sanakoev.
|Aug-04-17|| ||Petrosianic: Susan Polgar has a way of conflating World Championship titles in the same way, and talking about a Girls Under 10 World Championship in the same breath as the World Championship of Chess.|
|Aug-08-17|| ||RookFile: Yeah, that's true about Polgar. You would think from her bio that she's the greatest player ever, but truth be told she never reached the level of strength that Fischer had when he was a teenager competing for the Candidates.|
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