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Robert James Fischer vs Winthrop Beach
"Storming the Beachhead" (game of the day Nov-18-2007)
New York State Open (1963), Poughkeepsie, NY USA, rd 3, Aug-??
Modern Defense: Pseudo-Austrian Attack (B06)  ·  1-0
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May-17-13  The HeavenSmile: <Abdel Irada> Great analysis, I really like your layout, having the 'best' move in red and the qualifying reasoning underneath, that's a really smart way of detailing your solution. keep it up!
May-17-13
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  Abdel Irada: <TheHeavenSmile>: Thank you for your kind words.

May-17-13
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  chrisowen: Bog of harbour in chafe the bishop haggle for,

hoofed change giving just chap in a 21.bh6 look it was er difficult not her majesty inclined defered,

it down in engage ghosting along diagonal c1 free,

h6 aim in bag it a 21...qc7 in eg liege ne5 eddy it to be in aim defended from forced bed-fed in go,

22.nd6+ fatefuls in e4 won I be proof d6 gives check it nice in no time like a quagmire g7 in,

almost h6 again have question of faith in he has,

the rook hear to off 23.rhe1 load gun in edifice,

ogle for agile in came it down in jag 23.Bxg7 icy,

break cuffed in after got bag a 21...Qc7 22.nd6+ off a rubbing ducky oh in 22...Kd8 atenact I see,

just as true delights have evermore bus in h1 re1,

chin over aint it a bind in a bitter quad6 for each in Kd7 light a grab in g7 effectively read script,

wrench piece up ride a lion e4 in d6+ fate decreed,

in at 22...Kd8 heffed a lump blocking back,

formation l0 lie 23.Bxg7 queen in revere goon see,

vivtory it a grapple aint it anguish in among it a nest in g7 again ado it re1 seek on for heading,

some alight off in d6 dervish a good game huh piled in calm e5.

May-17-13
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  Abdel Irada: <chrisowen>: Heffalump is better than none.

May-17-13  LIFE Master AJ: I got this one within a few seconds ... but probably because I think I have seen the game a few times before.
May-17-13  LIFE Master AJ: OH. I HAVE seen this one before ... and its in one of my game collections as well.

OK - that explains it.

It was weird, I looked at it, and my head just filled with ideas. More memory than analysis, I am 100% certain.

Its still good to look at this game again, it shows just how clean and natural and sharp Bobby Fischer's chess really was.

May-17-13
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  Abdel Irada: <Its still good to look at this game again, it shows just how clean and natural and sharp Bobby Fischer's chess really was.>

Wait. Are we talking about chess or cheese?

May-17-13  snakebyt: I got 21 Bh6 with the intent to move my Queen into that tasty Rook fork. But in my scenario BXB. So all different but still terminal for Black.
May-17-13
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  kevin86: Fischer's circus of pins and double attacks. A great deal of "Beach erosion" in this one.
May-17-13  DPLeo: Great game! Beach was lost after 22.Nd6+!

Here's another great game where Nd6 signaled the end for black:

Chessgames Challenge: The World vs Akobian, 2012

Enjoy!

May-17-13  benjaminpugh: What happens after 23...Qxg7? Ok, I just saw the knight fork after 24. Qxe5, Qxe5, 25. Nf7.
May-17-13
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  thegoodanarchist: This could be called "Thank you for not castling!"
May-17-13
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  RookFile: 11...0-0-0 might not have been too bad for black. It sure looks better than ...Rb8 for him, which basically did nothing good.
Mar-29-14  SpiritedReposte: Those closing shots are head-spinning!
Jan-13-15  Martin Riggs: That's what I call victory with a big V, because there's no other way to describe the final position! ;]
Apr-04-16
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  PawnSac: < bengalcat47: It is not recommended to use an obsolete opening such as the King's Fianchetto Defense, which dates back to Morphy's era, when playing against someone as proficient as a cartain Bobby Fischer. >

There are a few very old lines that have a modern flavor and are quite playable. The problem here was multiple:

1) Playing an opening that gives white such a broad pawn center (lines like the Austrian/4 pawn attack in the Pirc, etc) especially when your opponent is such a strong classical player is certainly a bad choice. but..

2) Playing passively in the center just plays into white's hands. After 12.e5 white already has a substantial plus. Then..

3) opening lines for your opponent with moves like 12. ..dxe5 spells certain doom. Better was to keep it closed with d6-d5 and then play for eventual ..c5 would contest the e4 square, rather than just hand it to white. and it goes on.

Apr-04-16
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  perfidious: <newzild....Botvinnik once said of Fischer, "His play is so simple, like a child's.">

This quote is new to me, but Fischer's play showed the hallmarks of Capablanca-like clarity from an early age.

Jul-27-17  Sally Simpson: Hi Focus,

Fischer vs W Beach, 1963 (kibitz #119)

Regarding the first time Fischer played Beach.

In Chess Life February 1964 Fischer annotates this game and starts by saying Beach told him that they had played before and Fischer won.

Fischer then admits he cannot recall anything about the this game at all.

Jul-27-17
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  TheFocus: <Sally Sampson>, in my research, I was able to discover the pairings for the 1956 Greater New York City Open, where Fischer's first meeting with Beach occurred.

This was presented in the <Atlantic Chess News, April through September 2010, pg. 36.> in which I did an article on Arthur Feurstein; and in two e-books by John Donaldson.

The gamescore remains elusive, although there quite a few score-sheets held by the Marshall Chess Club. Unfortunately, those games may never see the light of day, as the Marshall CC has no plans at present to release them. The early Beach game is not among those score-sheets, which Donaldson was allowed to look at but not copy.

Jul-27-17  Sally Simpson: Hi Focus,

I knew the other game exists somewhere, I was just commentating on Fischer not being able to recall meeting him or playing the game. In his game notes Fischer said all this came to light when he asked his opponent how to spell his name.

Here is a copy of the page.

https://image.ibb.co/g2F4uk/fischer...

We know the missing game was a Pirc.

Jul-27-17  Sally Simpson: Continuing the fun with Fischer's amazing and very well documented memory. (see above)

Also in the notes to this game Fischer gives a line saying it was played between Bisguier v 'someone-or-other' in Chicago 1963.

Fischer was human after all.

Jul-27-17
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  TheFocus: It seems that Fischer had great memory for his big wins, but other games not so much.

In early Chess Life or Chess Review advertisements, he asked for early opponents to send in copies of their score-sheets if they had them. If he could remember every move of every game, he would not have had to ask.

Maybe as he got better, he could recall his games a little better.

Jul-27-17  todicav23: <TheFocus: It seems that Fischer had great memory for his big wins, but other games not so much.

In early Chess Life or Chess Review advertisements, he asked for early opponents to send in copies of their score-sheets if they had them. If he could remember every move of every game, he would not have had to ask.

Maybe as he got better, he could recall his games a little better.>

It is a myth that some chess players could remember hundreds or even thousands of games move by move. There is a video on youtube where Fischer says that he hardly remembers any game by heart. Karpov said something similar.

I'm able to reproduce a game right after I played it. I can still remember games (fragments or patterns) I played 15 years ago. But I can't reproduce those games anymore.

When he was asked about the Immortal Game, Carlsen even missed the year when it was played. He said that it was 1858 while many amateurs know that it was played in 1851. He probably remembered reading something about 1858 because that's the year of Anderssen - Morphy Match. I'm sure he played many times over the Immortal Game when he was very young, but I given the fact that he doesn't know the year, it is hard to believe that he would be able to reproduce the game move by move.

I'm sure some chess players are able to reproduce move by move their most recent games. But I'm ready to bet that there's no chess player able to reproduce move by move more than 15-20% of their games over the whole career.

Jul-28-17  Sally Simpson: Hi todicav23,

I agree with everything you said however Bobby Fischer displayed some incredible feats regarding his memory.

It is well know he recited exactly every blitz game he played (22 games!) in the 1970 World Blitz Championship.

More here in a good article on regarding Fischer's memory and chess players in general.

http://billwall.phpwebhosting.com/a...

Jul-28-17
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  Petrosianic: But could he do the Antiphlogistine Madjesoomalops list?
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