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|Dec-17-11|| ||kevin86: Unusual problem for Saturday-Fischer is three pawns ahead,so the solution must be related to method and not result.|
My move was 46 d6+ followed by capturing the e-pawn. I didn't see the mating chance.
|Dec-17-11|| ||vasja: This one should be easy or medium/easy. Saw 46 Rd7+ Kc5 (...Kc5 47 Rd4) (....Ke4 47 Rd4#) 47 Rd4 and on ...Rxa4 48 b3 with easy win, after that stopped looking for better solution.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||jackalope: Kudos to all those who found this easy! This is the kind of position that baffles me. I saw <46. b4> but after <46. ... cxb3> I couldn't find a continuation for White so discarded it as a candidate. Back to work on my R+Ps vs R+Ps endgames.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||WiseWizard: <jackalope> Instead of R+p endgames I think you should check out some of those White to Mate in x problems so you can sharpen your awareness of when a king lacks escape squares. I'm pretty sure doing all those a couple years ago is what helped me solve this puzzle as the black king's lack of escape squares is one of the first things i noticed.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||Marmot PFL: I found 46 b4 after a few minutes. Normally I probably wouldn't have, with so many other ways to win, but here perfectionism pays off. 46...Rxa4 and cb3 are both answered by Ke3 and mate.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||jackalope: Thanks <WiseWizard> - I just need to remember a pawn can check, too :-)|
|Dec-17-11|| ||BOSTER: Black king has only one square to go-"e4".
First desire is to play Ke3, creating the mating net.
Resisting the temptation to play a move according to your instincts is what separates a strong player from amateur.
If you understand that moving white king on "d3", you create a mating net and c4 will be well protected by white you play 46.b3 if cxb3 47.Kd3 Rxa4 48.c4+ Rxc4 49.Rxc4.
If after 46.b3 Ke4 47.Rxc4+ Kd5 48.Kd3 g5 the win is getting more complicated.
But Fischer's 46."b4" is brilliant, is more forced move.
|Dec-17-11|| ||chrisowen: Cat Dog matching off dc5 give advantage over string rook d1 knightd2. |
Am sulking g5 might have inceed equal pawn e5 par is in it hilt in fits o.
Dear knight c8 in double it trouble in bg5 mouse in feld pawn it h5 im licking a5 game owe I plead case three pawns coup it de grace in ok elly rc7 in pawnb4 low in behold it another rook.
Finish heading off what next bring on Oscar?
|Dec-17-11|| ||lost in space: I was seeing ghosts and took me a long to overcome this.|
My line was 46. b4! cxb3 47. Kd3 Rxa4 and white can not play c4 as black can simply takes the pawn with black advantage.
Silly me. 48. c4+ Rxc4 49. Rxc4 1:0
|Dec-17-11|| ||Nemesistic: I was looking at 46.Rd7+ then attacking Blacks Kingside pawns and promoting one for White,but it seems b4's the move ..|
|Dec-17-11|| ||doubledrooks: 46. b4 gets my vote. For example:
46...Ke4 47. Rxc4+ Kd5 48. Kd3 Rxa4 49. Rc5#
|Dec-17-11|| ||Garech: <Eric Farley>
<Both Fischer and Kasparov had tremendous problems facing the French. Fischer usually chickened out of it using the KIA as in this game; Kasparov decided to face the French; that's why he lost more than Fischer in this case. But I think Kasparov did the right thing: players of this caliber shouldn't be afraid of anything.>
I believe the French gave Fischer more problems than Kasparov, but that said, Fischer only played the KIA in his youth. The obviously superior 2.d4 was his move for the vast majority of his games vs. the French (about 95%). Further to that, he almost always continued with Nc3 on the third move, which is my personal favourite too. He once famously proclaimed that the Winawer (3...Bb4) was probably unsound, long before anyone else - and today it's an opinion shared by almost all top players. Once again, he was ahead of his time (although I have to confess to being a Winawer advocate myself).
This game is a superb example of Fischer at his zenith destroying the Winawer in awesome style:
Fischer vs Larsen, 1971
|Dec-17-11|| ||Petrosianic: <The obviously superior 2.d4 was his move for the vast majority of his games vs. the French (about 95%).>|
Have you done an actual count? I'm sure you're right, that he played 2. d4 most of the time. But I don't know if it was 95%.
|Dec-17-11|| ||agb2002: White is three pawns ahead!
Black threatens ... Rxa4.
The black king only has one square to move and after 46.Rd7+ that square permits a sudden mate: 46... Ke4 47.Rd4#. This suggests 46.b4 to close a mating net:
A) 46... cxb3 47.Kd3 Rxa4 (47... b2 48.c4#) 48.c4+ Rxc4 49.Rxc4 b2 50.Rb4 wins.
B) 46... Rxa4 47.Ke3 and Black must lose the rook to avoid mate 47... Ra5 (47... Rxb4 48.cxb4 and 49.Rc5#) 48.bxa5, etc.
C) 46... Ke4 47.Rxc4+ Kd5 48.Kd3 wins.
D) 46... g5 47.Rc5+ Ke4 48.Rxc4+ Kd5 49.Kd3 gxf4 50.Rc5#.
|Dec-17-11|| ||harrylime: Just Fischer at his most dry..
Really it's a 'I will win whatever' kinda game..
|Dec-17-11|| ||ajile: I guessed 46.b3 which also wins but a bit slower.
click for larger view
Analysis by Rybka 3 32-bit :
1. (5.05): 1...g5 2.Rxc4 gxf4 3.Rxf4 Kxe5 4.Ke3 Kd5 5.Rb4 Kc6 6.h4 Ra5 7.Rb5 Ra7 8.Rh5
2. (10.75): 1...cxb3 2.Kd3
|Dec-17-11|| ||bischopper: why didn´t anyone do a link on chessvideos.com with this game I can not entre directly (ni modo)|
|Dec-17-11|| ||newton296: I saw white's e pawn 3 moves from Q so I had a different approach. |
Rd7 ...Kc5 Rd6 pawn muncher. I think white gets a Q first.
should be good enough for a win.
|Dec-17-11|| ||gawain: I'm I would have missed b4 and moved 46 Ke3 instead |
Even knowing the solution was b4, it took me a short while to see how White continues after 46 b4 cxb e.p. 47 c4+ Ke4.
Must be 48 Rd7 with Rd4# to follow.
|Dec-17-11|| ||Rowson: i got it! "virtually any more"... was hard not to get this one!|
|Dec-17-11|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: In this rook and pawn ending, white is up three pawn, but black threatens to regain one with 46... Rxa4, perhaps to be followed by Ke4 attacking the white pawn mass. Or has the black king walked into a trap? After a few minutes I started looking at b3, then discovered an improvement. |
This covers all bases and leaves black in a resignable position:
A) 46... cxb3 e.p. 47.Kd3 Rxa4 (otherwise 48.c4#) 48.c4+ Rxc4 49.Rxc4 b2 50.Rb4 wins.
B) 46... Rxa4 47.Ke3 Ra5 (otherwise Rc5#) 48.bxa5 wins.
C) 46... Ke4 47.Rxc4+ Kd5 48.Rd4+ Kc6 49.a5 is a rout.
D) 46... g5 48.Ke3 gxf4+ 49.Kxf4 again necessitates Ra5 to prevent immediate mate. 1-0
Got a late start, but very straightforward for a Saturday.
|Dec-18-11|| ||TheoNov: Obviously, White is winning with three extra pawns, although he is about to lose one of them.
Started out looking Rd7+ and other R frolics combined with K side pawn pushes, but nothing seemed convincing.|
Then the idea of b4 jumped out, but after cxb3/ep then what? But wait, c4+ looks almost like a mate, except that the bK can escape to d4/e4. So then I got stuck for a while on the idea of Ke3 to block this escape route, but fails because after c4+, Black can capture the P with his R (which had previously taken the P on a4).
Finally came the realization that after the initial b4 cxb3/ep, Kd3 is now possible instead of Ke3, still blocking the escape route and also doubly protecting the c4 pawn advance. And there you have it...
|Dec-18-11|| ||Garech: <Petrosianic>
In this database, for example, there are 68 games of Fischer's where he has white against the French. Of those, 64 open 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5, which is 94% - close enough!
|Dec-19-11|| ||Whitehat1963: Would 43...Ra7 have been any better for black? Or does it lose even more easily?|
|Dec-19-11|| ||King Death: <Whitehat1963> The bishop goes after 44.Nb8+.|
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