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|Feb-28-15|| ||Everett: Imagine an IM in the Grand Prix now. Or even if they staged another interzonal-style with 20+ players. IMs there, today? No.|
|Feb-28-15|| ||diceman: <optimal play: <"Lkhamsürengiin Myagmarsüren", he said.
Not quite able to understand what he just heard, Bobby looked up and asked once more.
"Lkhamsürengiin Myagmarsüren," his opponent repeated.|
This went on for a third time after which Bobby just shook his head and wrote "A. Mongolian" on his score sheet.>>
I thought that was Purevzhav?
...or are you using a Mongolian under false pretenses? :)
|Feb-28-15|| ||diceman: <Everett: Black here is an example of the weak players that got into interzonals back in the day.>|
You make up for tournament tail-enders, when your other opponents are
Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Geller, Korchnoi, Keres, Smyslov, Larsen.
...and they ask why Korchnoi, Keres, were never World Champions.
We wont even get into
interzonals, and candidates matches.
...vs a 14 round tie-break entrance.
|Feb-28-15|| ||Fusilli: <Everett: Imagine an IM in the Grand Prix now. Or even if they staged another interzonal-style with 20+ players. IMs there, today? No.>|
Well, yeah, but now there are over 1,000 GMs, many of whom are probably no stronger than IMs from the 1960s, when the GM title was a lot harder to get. More importantly, now there are GMs in all regions of the world.
The point is that the inclusion of players from all over the world necessarily led to the participation of comparatively weak players in interzonals, in the interest of worldwide reach and promotion of chess around the globe. I think that was a good concept. Did it really matter whether Soviet GM No. 15 was eliminated by the other Soviet GMs early on or later on in an interzonal?
If you want to have a world event, you have to include players from all over the world, regardless of the enormous density of great players in a concentrated region.
|Feb-28-15|| ||RookFile: As they say in Highlander, in the end, there can be only one.|
|Mar-03-15|| ||Everett: <Feb-28-15 RookFile: As they say in Highlander, in the end, there can be only one.>|
That's right! Larsen in this tournament, and Spassky after the Candidates and WC matches.
|Mar-03-15|| ||Everett: <Fusilli> I agree with you. I understand the history and purpose.|
|Mar-03-15|| ||parisattack: I also concur with <Fusilli> on all points. As to <Well, yeah, but now there are over 1,000 GMs, many of whom are probably no stronger than IMs from the 1960s...> the tell-tale sign is in endgame play...|
|Mar-03-15|| ||TheFocus: <parisattack> <the tell-tale sign is in endgame play...>|
Yes. GMs today can't play endgames too well.
|Mar-03-15|| ||Shams: <parisattack> Modern GMs would play endgames pretty darn well if they got to analyze them overnight first.|
|Mar-03-15|| ||Mating Net: A certain Norwegian is pretty good at endgames.|
|Mar-03-15|| ||Fusilli: <Mating Net> lol. Well, yeah, but he doesn't qualify as an "ordinary" grandmaster, does he? :)|
|Mar-03-15|| ||perfidious: <parisattack....the tell-tale sign is in endgame play...>|
So it is, in my view also.
The Kibitzer's Café
|Mar-03-15|| ||Fusilli: <perfidious> Are you sure that link is right?|
|Mar-03-15|| ||perfidious: <Fusilli> Here is the third paragraph of that post:|
<For me, the moral of the second part this story is that your top players will kick the stuffing out of you in the endgame; by no means was this my only experience.>
|Mar-04-15|| ||Fusilli: Okay but your link takes me to page 1207 of the kibitzer's cafe, where people are discussing the Torre attack, the number pi, state names, and other topics but not this one. I don't see that quote, and there is no post of yours on that page. Either the link is wrong or my browser is not acting as it's supposed to...|
|Mar-04-15|| ||perfidious: <Fusilli> Time for another go.....|
<perfidious: <fgh> Nervous tension can sometimes produce odd happenings; on a humbler level, relatively speaking, back in the summer of 1996, it was my date with the executioner in a blitz event at Montreal with the Cuban Reynaldo Vera. In the first game, he played a neat queen sacrifice to generate a near winning attack. With plenty of time remaining on his clock, he left on an elementary mate; to this day, I don't know which of us was more in shock.
<Mating Net> One more thing: in the second game, he played a slack line vs my Dutch and I got an easy game, then outplayed him well into the ending. At a point where I was nearly winning, he hung tough and wound up with the win.
For me, the moral of the second part this story is that your top players will kick the stuffing out of you in the endgame; by no means was this my only experience.
If I were to teach someone how to play from the very beginning, I'd start with K+Q vs K, all the way through to B+N vs K, as Yasser Seirawan was taught; I'd say he came out fairly well, lol.>
|Mar-04-15|| ||Howard: Yes, a well-written article on Seirawan from the September, 1980 of Chess Life, mentioned that his first chess teacher, Victor Pupols, taught Seirawan the elementary mates such as king and rook vs king, etc. It was to help Seirawan properly appreciate "the power of the pieces", as the article stated.|
Looks like it worked out well for Yasser.
|Mar-04-15|| ||TheFocus: <Howard> That was actually the very first article I ever read in <Chess Life>.|
|Mar-04-15|| ||zanzibar: <perfidious><fusilli> The link problem could be that each of you have different ignore lists.|
So, the normal copy of a url, which uses page numbering will fail.
If you want to post a link to a forum comment the best way to do it is to use the "perma-link".
Find the comment, put the mouse on the date and right-click. Use the "Copy Link" item on the menu, and paste that into your new comment.
That link should work for everybody.
|Mar-04-15|| ||Fusilli: <zanzibar> Oh, I see. I have no one on my ignore list. I never used that feature. But if <perfidious> has some, then that'd explain it. Thanks!|
|Mar-04-15|| ||Fusilli: BTW, I was thinking once that I would also teach from zero that way, and then I'd move on to playing games of king and eight pawns versus king and eight pawns. And then king and, say, seven pawns vs. king and seven pawns (where the missing pawns are not both on the same file), and so on.|
|Mar-05-15|| ||parisattack: <Shams: <parisattack> Modern GMs would play endgames pretty darn well if they got to analyze them overnight first.>|
This is true; a valid point. Assuming you mean sans engine -although that is their Achille's Heel right now I think. But even considering IMHO the endgame phase of GMs was stronger in days-gone-by. I am fairly confident the 2200-2300 players I knew in the early 70s would meter out around 2500 today. Of course, then its a ratings discussion.
<Mating Net: A certain Norwegian is pretty good at endgames.>
Indeed he does! And, he is Numero Una in some part because of it.
ALOHA to <TheFocus>!!
|Mar-05-15|| ||TheFocus: <parisattack> Aloha back at ya!|
I am up and walking now. Rough year so far, but maybe I can still drag my carcass up Diamond Head.
|Mar-05-15|| ||parisattack: Howdy <TheFocus> Better to drag it over to the Shore Bird beach bar, have a couple brewskis and ogle the girls on the beach! Then hit Akasaka for a night of sushi. Grab a couple dancers from Misty II and hideout in a tatami room.|
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