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|Sep-15-10|| ||fab4: <zev22407> Not seen any annotations to this game from the players involved but I'm wondering if that' the move Fischer was planning to make then saw something to make him change his mind, maybe 27...b3 ? |
Great game by Bent. One step ahead of the great Bobby and making him look pretty ordinary is no mean feat !
|Jan-31-11|| ||TheOutsider: Pathetic opening play by Fischer,should lose instantly. Larsen wasted a couple of moves 'defending' while he should have been counterattacking on the queenside. + avoiding exchanging knights 3x in a row.|
|Apr-25-11|| ||qqdos: Before the 1970 Interzonal, according to Blackstock and Wade's book of the tournament, Fischer had consulted Velimirovic himself on this line, but then chose to go his own way; Velimirovic was apparently horrified to see Fischer play 12.h4?! A year later against Bukal at Pula, Velimirovic played his patented sacrifice 12.Nf5?! and won but the move is probably unsound and must have been a nasty surprise for Bukal. Congratulations to Larsen on a great game based no doubt on some "home-brew"! After 12.h4 Nc5 13.g5 b5 Fischer's 14.f3? is generally blamed for his loss. However, also in 1971, Planinc came up with some "home-brew" of his own and uncorked 14.Rh5! b4? (14...Nb3 unclear - Velimirovic) 15.Na4 Ne4?! 16.g6! Planinc v Subasic, Yugoslavia (1-0). Perhaps Larsen would have found the right answer! - These anecdotes come from the 1974 book The Sicilian Sozin by Harding/Botterill/Kottnauer.|
|May-02-11|| ||qqdos: P.S. A gloss on the above anecdote comes from David Levy's 1974 book Sacrifices in the Sicilian. At p.26 Levy writes that Velimirovic, at the time, described Fischer's move 12.h4? as 'criminal'! He had previously urged Fischer to play 12.g5 in this position but was ignored. It seems that Black's reply to either move is 12...Nc5 anyway, so the lines transpose. After 13 moves Larsen had only consumed 3 minutes!|
|Jul-08-11|| ||Tigranny: I think Larsen or Keres was the best player not being world champion. Is 24.Rhg1 a blunder because it loses a minor piece?|
|Jul-08-11|| ||psmith: <zev22407>, <fab4>|
Using Fritz 5.32 as analysis aid I come up with this:
27. Rxd6 Bxa4 (Qxc2+) and now
a) 28. Kd2 Qxc2+ 29. Ke3 Raf8
b) 28. Rg2 Bb3 ( Ra1+ and Qxc2+ to follow) 29. Rd8+ Rxd8 30. Nxd8 Ra7
c) 28. Qg2 Bb3 29. Kb1 Rfa7
|Nov-15-11|| ||DrMAL: Position was repeated in Anand vs Salov, 1997 where Anand played 12.Nf5! slightly different than in Nakamura vs Van Wely, 2007 where black played 11...Na5 instead. Na5 gives option to take B on b3 and it prevents 12.Nf5 but it also adds one tempo difference to pawn advance that is very significant. Pawn advance g4-h4-g5 (g4-g5-h4 there) is not nearly as effective without extra tempo from Na5. In very sharp position one tempo often makes big difference, this is good example, cheers.|
|Mar-04-12|| ||Bishoprick: Kingfu is wrong on Geller being the only one with a positive score against Fischer. Tal did also, I believe.|
|Mar-05-12|| ||Julian713: <<Bishoprick:> Kingfu is wrong on Geller being the only one with a positive score against Fischer. Tal did also, I believe.>|
Yes, he did. There may be a few from Fischer's early days who only played him once and won, but as far as I know Geller and Tal are the only ones who have positive scores against Fischer with any significant number of matches.
|Mar-05-12|| ||King Death: < Julian713: <<Bishoprick:> Kingfu is wrong on Geller being the only one with a positive score against Fischer. Tal did also, I believe.>
Yes, he did. There may be a few from Fischer's early days who only played him once and won, but as far as I know Geller and Tal are the only ones who have positive scores against Fischer with any significant number of matches.>|
You're right, there were no players that managed a plus against Fischer in any meaningful number of games. Even when he was a world class GM you had guys like Janosevic and Kovacevic who won (in 1 game each) but nobody excpet Tal and Geller got the job done over time.
|Mar-05-12|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: Fischer-Tal +2=5-4. The losses were all from the 1959 Candidates.|
Pachmann played +2=4-2
Ficher's score was "close" v. Gligoric +6=6-4
Whilst the strong American master Abe Turner could boast =1+2 against a young Bobby.
|Mar-05-12|| ||RookFile: It's official: Bobby Fischer lost some games of chess to some people.|
Glad we got that cleared up.
|Mar-05-12|| ||King Death: <RookFile: It's official: Bobby Fischer lost some games of chess to some people...>|
One or two. Mayhap.
|Mar-05-12|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: <rookfile>
just noting the official record for others edification.
Bobby lost to a guy called Spassky, too. You know -- a Soviet guy called Boris.
|Mar-05-12|| ||TheFocus: List of people that have beaten Fischer in chess.
|Mar-05-12|| ||Penguincw: And Fischer's losses:
|Mar-05-12|| ||RookFile: Ok, it's settled. Max Pavey was the greatest player in the history of chess.|
|Mar-05-12|| ||TheFocus: <RookFile>< Ok, it's settled. Max Pavey was the greatest player in the history of chess.>|
Finally, someone who agrees with me!
|Feb-24-13|| ||Damianx: King Death Tal in press interview said no i had a winning score against young Robert not against Mr Fischer|
|Feb-25-13|| ||Oginschile: Tal was one of the greatest gentleman the game of Chess has known.|
|Sep-09-13|| ||Everett: <TheFocus: List of people that have beaten Fischer in chess.
Who is responsible for the loss of Fischer's mind?
|Apr-13-14|| ||Everett: <RookFile: It's official: Bobby Fischer lost some games of chess to some people.
Glad we got that cleared up.>
It's official: some people get butt-hurt because they are too attached to chessplayers
|Apr-13-14|| ||Petrosianic: <Even when he was a world class GM you had guys like Janosevic and Kovacevic who won (in 1 game each))|
Kovacevic, yes. Janosevic, no. His winning record against Fischer is based on three games played. So is Abe Turner's.
|Apr-13-14|| ||Bobby Spassky: Fischer lost to only person that was younger than him.|
|Apr-13-14|| ||Everett: Two, technically. Game Collection: ROOT OF SPAWN or Bobby vs The Youth|
Of course, the sample size is ridiculously small, since he quit at 29.
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