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|Mar-09-18|| ||diagonalley: after white's 26th move he has B+two passed pawns for a rook ... i guess that's ample for a win at this level - although <diagonalley> would no doubt make heavy weather of it :-(|
|Mar-09-18|| ||Geronimo: There are times when Iíve been particularly rigorous about tactical studies (by my standard, that is, not by the Russian Schoolís, eg) and Iím pushing up my strength, and I get a slight glimpse of what it would be like to be, say 100 or 200 points stronger, or even (I exaggerate) a fluttering brush at the edge of consciousness imagining an understanding and perception like someone touched by chess genius. |
This was not one of those times.
Whiteís position after 22... for the puzzle is a thing of dynamic beauty. This may be famous, but I hadnít seen it before. I went off on a totally different direction and missed it completely.
|Mar-09-18|| ||gofer: Hmmm, I think that I can
a) win a pawn and a stable significantly better position
b) win two pawns, go down an exchange, but have a significant pawn majority on the kingside.
Both strategies start with the same two moves...
<23 Rxe4! Qxg3>
<24 Rxd3!! ...>
The black queen is lost, but black has a number of choices how to give up the queen. So its
all a bit murky from here.
24 ... Qxd3 25 cxd3 - is line a) above
24 ... Qg4 25 Rxg4 Bxg4 26 Bxg5 - is line b) above
There may be better, but white's bishops look more active that black's rooks, so black
will be on the back foot...
Okay, this is too famous is it!? Not for me...
|Mar-09-18|| ||Edwin Meijer: Yes! I guessed right! Always a great feeling when you guess the right moves made by your favourite player.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||Lambda: I remembered it dimly enough for it not to interfere with the puzzle-ness. It wasn't until I was thinking "and if we take the knight the queen can just move... not back down the diagonal hang on a minute don't I remember this from somewhere?"|
|Mar-09-18|| ||malt: I recollect some of this game
23.R:e4! Q:g3 (23...de4 24.Bf4 )
24.R:d4! Qg4 (24...Qe5/d6/c7 25.Bf4) trading the Q for Rook 25.R:g4 B:g4 26.B:g6
|Mar-09-18|| ||Lambda: The game line is almost just the win of a pawn anyway, because while under the 9-5-3-3-1 system the exchange is worth two pawns, it's actually generally worth a bit less, and in particular if the piece gives you the two bishops, the exchange is worth a lot less, not being worth much more than 1 pawn.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||patzer2: I have this famous combination (23. Rxe4!!) in my "combinations to win a pawn with advantage" collection.|
After a fresh look at Fischer's 23. Rxe4!! in today's Friday puzzle (23. ?), the combination appears to be the decisive win of a pawn.
Our Stockfish 9 application's analysis of move 23.? initially gives 23. Rxe4!! a +1.34 advantage @ 38 ply.
However after forcing the program to analyze its own resulting positions, Stockfish 9 recognizes Fischer's extra pawn advantage is clearly decisive (i.e. 5 pawn advantage at the end of the above posted analysis).
|Mar-09-18|| ||samvega: I was primed for this puzzle by having earlier viewed the combination that ends this recently kibitzed game: P Burkart vs G Haubt, 1988|
|Mar-09-18|| ||morfishine: Practically all of Fischer's games are useless for puzzle purposes since (1) there's a relatively small pool of games to choose from & (2) these are too well known|
Perhaps using positions with the players names hidden would be an effective and practical way to use Fischer games for puzzle purposes
|Mar-09-18|| ||Petrosianic: Fischer's games aren't as well known as you'd think. Some of them are. Everything in M60MG is well known, as are his games from 1971-2 and the first game from 1992. Other than that, he's more kwown by reputation. I once tried to canvas opinion on Fischer's best game of 1968 and you could have heard a pin drop.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||patzer2: Instead of putting a dim Knight on the rim with 10...Na5 11. Re1 ±, Black does better with 10...b3 = as per our Stockfish 9 application's analysis of move 10...?.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||ACMEKINGKRUSHER: HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOBBY Wherever You Are,
This Game and so many others I've seen are Absolutely Fantastic! Even the dropped BISHOP in the'72 WC had Everyone Stymied!! Thanks for the Hours and Hours of FUN Reading and going over your past games! Our Club Loves your games as well!
Have you gotten a chance yet to meet and or PLAY MORPHY? Wonder who WON. Bet that's a game that won't make it to CG.C. Well Bobby It is getting Late. Got to Finish reading the rest of these notes on your game. Loved The EN PASSANT Move. Well, Do have a Great Birthday! Don't Forget to Say Howdy to MORPHY for me! ACME KING KRUSHER!
|Mar-09-18|| ||keypusher: Surprised this is a Friday puzzle ó I canít imagine ever figuring it out if I didnít already know it.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||morfishine: <Petrosianic> Understood. I actually went over all of Fischer's games in Wade's book, which totaled about 900 I think (took me quite awhile, maybe 2-3 months/I skipped over known games). |
Maybe I'm biased since I did that :)
|Mar-09-18|| ||PJs Studio: I got Rxe4 and xd4 but missed 29.f7 and 30.f8!
Take the exchange back with the extra material! What a beast from Ď68 - Ď72!
|Mar-09-18|| ||PJs Studio: Playing through the rest of the game and seeing Fischerís simplicity with converting a pawn up (winning of course) endgame where the opposing king is a tad better then uncorking 42.h3(!!) when I couldnít find anything attractive after a minute or two. |
Also, did Fischer ever write the continuation he was planing to play on move 48.? (Obviously, both Kd3 and h4 win easily.)
|Mar-09-18|| ||chrisowen: Flubb re4as ebber fives qg3as gaunt rd4as daddy qg4as gland to it chiv 24Qc7 dohas vints cinch cuffs overs clungarm 1 2 it ok haves overt to it gives 25.Rxg4 gaunt to it gives 25Bxg4 eoyore cages glads 2 it ok haves overt vints keyas flubb rules jarus boats hikky vints yinus minute vowus vimus mucks gemas megas eyeus quips puddle wued its tones vetus vests flush revent its hones vests fists hives fetish noons keyas thief nosus vimus vests hefts ionus fines hosts feints vints hosus infest ohsus vints often vimus hisas foeus hints vimus thein infos notes re4us ebber vints keyas flubb brunt vueus rules frills vimus jarus boats jasmine jahas vamus vowus jobus athat hobas blush hints vints hanks hikky yinus mucks minute vowus vimus manga megas gemas eyeas query quips puddle wued its
tones vetus vests flush revent vints keyas thunk to it eve 23.Rxe4 Qxg3 24.Rxd4 Qg4 cfous gaunt bungs bangs bucks bland bunts auburn vueus vimus re4as ebber eeler egger emory enter epees equip eraus vamus essay every keats keyas keeps definate vints defer daffy ducks fangs gaffs guffs dangs dunks flung duffs gland to it chiv 24Qc7 dohas vints cinch cuffs overs clungarm 1 2 it ok haves overt to it gives 25.Rxg4 25Bxg4 eoyore cages glads 2 it ok haves overt vints keyas jarus jaffa flaunts hangs vints vowus vimus queries praise tucks vamus backs ulcer bamas wadas
bungs upsus hangs vints vowus vimus bands askas maddy backs hands muddle areus vents gasas grass vamus gassy gruffs vueus brash vamus blush hubus brush vueus hangs vints vowus vimus hutch clucky gabus bungs bangs
flavs blags umsas ganesh dutch flush gaves hacks keyas flubb rules re4as ebber;|
|Mar-09-18|| ||njchess: I only got this because I recognized the game. I might have thought of this over the board, after a great deal of thought. For me, it's not so much about the move, but the underlying idea or concept that is difficult for me to see.|
Fischer obviously saw that the rook would dominate the fourth row leaving Black's queen no escape. But how does one get there? How does one see 23. ♖xe4 ♕xg3 24. ♖xd4 that results in Black's queen being White's for the taking? Moreover, when did Bobby come to this realization? Granted Black walks into the trap with the very natural looking 22. ... e4?, but brilliant tactics from Bobby.
|Mar-09-18|| ||todicav23: I wonder if Schweber saw 24.Rxd4!! or it came as a big surprise.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||Cibator: <Lambda:> I've seen it asserted somewhere that, all else being balanced, B+B is almost equal to R+N.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||Cibator: Schweber joins that slightly melancholy club whose members have achieved fame for little more than being on the losing side of a brilliant game. (Others on the roll include Rotlewi, Napier and "two bishops" Bauer.)|
|Mar-09-18|| ||The Kings Domain: Good to see a Fischer win featured here on his birthday for a change. :-)|
Missed this puzzle even though I came across it some time back. Pretty brilliant victory by Fischer, the queen trap is neat and clever and one to remember.
|Mar-22-18|| ||Howard: Regarding Petrosianic's above-comment regarding Fischer's best game from 1968, I'd nominate two:|
His victory over Matulovic
And, also, his win against Saidy. Contrary to popular belief, that particular game took place in 1968, NOT 1969.
|Mar-22-18|| ||Olavi: Re Fischer 1968, his win against Czerniak has been much praised.|
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